Well it look like AG Eric Holder is finally stepping down.

by tootired2care 32 Replies latest social current

  • tootired2care
    tootired2care

    It's a real shame when people have to twist the truth or just outright lie in order for them to try and justify their pre-existing prejudices.

    Right...

    Operation Fast and Furious was carried out by the ATF. Not the Justice Department. Get your facts straight. And Operation Fast and Furrious was started in 2006. Almost three years BEFORE Holder took offic

    Effective January 24, 2003, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives ( ATF ) was transferred under the Homeland Security bill to the Department of Justice [source]

    The Justice Department did investigate the "IRS Scandal". There were also independent investigations carried out by the Treasury Inspector General, the FBI, and two full blown Congressional investigations (The Committee on Oversight and Government Reform and also the Committee of Ways and Means).

    Wow, just wow...Have you not seen or read about the failed hard drive defense that has strangly happened to each IRS official who has been investigated? [link for the low information poster]

    It is deeply disturbing that you would try to criticize the Attorny General of the United States for seeking indictments against known murders. You do understand that is part of his job right?

    Oh gee! How about an acquittal on some technicality. You sir are a moron! Foreign terrorists should never be afforded equal rights to a US civilians.

    Wrong again. Holder's not against showing picture ID when you register to vote. However, he was highly crtical of the Jim Crow laws being passed that were trying to surpress peoples right to vote.

    Holder was against anything that would suppress illegal aliens, and unscrupulous Acorn thugs from making duplicate votes for the democratic party of liberal hacks.

    Please provide a credible source for this claim.

    Judging from the nonsense you just posted you seem to lack the capacity to understand what credible even is.

  • Coded Logic
    Coded Logic

    There are over a dozen departments under the DOJ. But none of them ARE the DOJ. Your intial statment remains false.

    Have you not seen or read about the failed hard drive defense that has strangly happened to each IRS who has been investigated?

    You are presenting a Red Herring. You intially said that the DOJ didn't investigate the IRS. Instead of admitting that isn't true or clarifying that you meant something different by your intial statement you are instead attempting to shift to a different topic.

    How about an acquittal on some technicality.

    You are incorrect. Sulaiman abu Ghaith remains in prison serving out a life sentence.

    Foreign terrorists should never have equal rights to a US civilians.

    The Constitution of the United States of America disagrees with you (see Fith and Fourteenth Amendments). You have a right to due process regardless of the crime your accused of and regardless of your citizenship status.

    Holder is against anything that will suppress illegal aliens, and people from making duplicate votes for the democratic party of liberal hacks.

    Please cite a credible source that shows democrats and liberal "hacks" are making duplicate votes.

    Please provide a credible source for this claim.

    -CL

    Judging from the nonsense you just posted you seem to lack the capacity to understand what credible even is.

    People who actually can support their claims don't have to resort to this sort of nonsense. You're not fooling anyone.

  • tootired2care
    tootired2care

    There are over a dozen departments under the DOJ. But none of them ARE the DOJ. Your intial statment remains false.

    As a result of a dispute over the release of Justice Department documents related to the scandal, Attorney General Eric Holder became the first sitting member of the Cabinet of the United States to be held in contempt of Congress on June 28, 2012. [19] [20] Earlier that month, President Barack Obama had invoked executive privilege for the first time in his presidency over the same documents. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

    People that are not complicit and/or innocent do not thwart freedom of information amongst the branches of government as Eric Holder so cleary has. Why can't you seem to understand this?

    You are presenting a Red Herring. You intially said that the DOJ didn't investigate the IRS. Instead of admitting that isn't true or clarifying that you meant something different by your intial statement you are instead attempting to shift to a different topic.

    Oh please, you just want to obfuscate the point by arguing semantics and technicalities. This is the biggest scandal since Nixon, and you and I, and the American people all know they didn't investigate a damn thing.

    You are incorrect. Sulaiman abu Ghaith remains in prison serving out a life sentence.

    How is a very real possibility incorrect? You obviously can't seem to grasp that an acquittal is possible in a civilain trial.

    The Constitution of the United States of America disagrees with you (see Fith and Fourteenth Amendments). You have a right to due process regardless of the crime your accused of and regardless of your citizenship status.

    Nonsense. The constitution affords no such rights to enemy combatants.

    Please cite a credible source that shows democrats and liberal "hacks" are making duplicate votes.

    Logic: What other reason could there possibly be for thwarting photo ids from being used to ensure voter integrity?

    You're not fooling anyone.

    I'm not trying to. What support have you offered for any of your specious claims? Oh that's right - none.

  • confusedandalone
    confusedandalone

    " Only if you're ignorant of history. The country was created between 1775 and 1787, the KKK didn't come into existence until 1865. Several "founding fathers" (Benjamin Franklin, John Adams for example) were anti-slavery."

    Playiong with dates to solidify your point makes no sense since we were playing with a hypothetical situation. It also shows how desperate you are to add glittery and sparkly legacies to some of the most brutal and genocidal men in the history of the world.

    You clowns always only think of slavery and yes most of the founding fathers had slaves and profitted off slavery. These are more grimey facts that most White American makes like you do not want to admit to. Let us throw out the cruel treatment of slaves for a minute. Do you want to discuss the Native American Genocide committed by these men?

    Didn't they also dislike Jews. Seems they were collectively far worse than Hitler if we go by policies and death counts.

    Soo in essence if Holder had been behind some plot to kill people by the millions then he would have been doing his job.

    After all that is what makes this country great right?

  • designs
    designs

    Live from the Bunker.....

  • Giordano
    Giordano

    Coded Logic lives up to his name. tootired2care lives up to his name.

    For once a reasonably balanced assessment from of all places Fox News!

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/25/holder-stepping-down-from-obama-administration-official-says/

    please note a laugh out loud moment as Darrell Issa becomes the pot calling the kettle black (not a racial comment). This is a phrase that states that the person you are talking to is calling you something that they themselves are (and generally in abundance).

    The attorney general, who previously worked in private practice and before that was a federal prosecutor, was one of the most controversial members of the administration. Republicans made clear Thursday they would not miss him in the Obama Cabinet.

    "Eric Holder is the most divisive U.S. attorney general in modern history," House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said in a statement. "By needlessly injecting politics into law enforcement, Attorney General Holder's legacy has eroded more confidence in our legal system than any attorney general before him."

    Holder was held in contempt of Congress by the Republican-led House in 2012 -- a vote in which Issa played a central role -- for failing to provide key information about the botched Operation Fast and Furious program. He is the only sitting Cabinet member to have been held in contempt of Congress.

    Holder and GOP lawmakers routinely clashed, over Fast and Furious but also over his department's handling of the IRS targeting scandal, its civilian prosecution of terror cases, surveillance of media outlets and other issues. His hearing appearances were at-times combative; some lawmakers even sought to impeach him.

    During the contempt fight, Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, was quoted saying Holder's "arrogance knows no bounds."

    In that debate, Holder was blasted by Republicans for not turning over documents related to the gun-running probe along the Southwest border. Democrats decried the contempt push, in an election year, as political.

    Holder is the fourth-longest serving attorney general in U.S. history, and the first black attorney general. Rumors about his departure have circulated for a while. According to a Justice official, Holder had discussed his plans with Obama on "multiple occasions" in recent months.

    "[He] finalized those plans in an hour-long conversation with the president at the White House residence over Labor Day weekend," the official said. The official added that Holder has "no immediate plans" after leaving the post.

    A White House official said the president has not made any final decision about a possible replacement for Holder.

    Of the outgoing attorney general, the official said: "Holder’s accomplishments have established a historic legacy of civil rights enforcement and restoring fairness to the criminal justice system. Holder revitalized the Department’s praised Civil Rights Division, protected the rights of the LGBT community, successfully prosecuted terrorists, and fought tirelessly for voting rights, to name a few."

    The 63-year-old former judge and prosecutor, who took office in early 2009, grappled with divisive questions on the handling of captured terrorism suspects.

    In his first few years on the job, Holder weathered a firestorm over an ultimately-abandoned plan to try terrorism suspects in New York City. The attorney general gave up the effort, but he continued to maintain that civilian courts were the most appropriate venue. He argued that his original plan was vindicated by the successful prosecution in New York of Usama bin Laden's son-in-law -- this week, he was sentenced to life in prison.

    Under Holder's watch, the Justice Department also cracked down on news media reporting on national security matters. The department secretly subpoenaed phone records from Associated Press reporters and editors and used a search warrant to obtain some emails of Fox News' James Rosen as part of a separate leak investigation.

    Holder eventually agreed to overhaul department policies with regard to dealing with media.

    The attorney general was often outspoken in his public remarks. He even referred to America in 2010 as a "nation of cowards" in discussing matters of race. He later lamented that "systemic and unwarranted racial disparities remain disturbingly common."

    He was known to weigh in on matters of racial fairness, taking steps to improve police relations with minorities, enforce civil rights laws and remove racial disparities in sentencing. Most recently he became the Obama administration's face in the federal response to the police shooting last month of an unarmed black 18-year-old in Ferguson, Mo. In the shooting's aftermath, he enlisted a team of criminal justice researchers to study racial bias in law enforcement.

    A former deputy attorney general in the Clinton administration, Holder was pulled away from private practice to reshape a Justice Department that had been tarnished by a scandal involving fired U.S. attorneys and that had authorized harsh interrogation methods for terrorism suspects.

    Fox News' Lucas Tomlinson and Ed Henry and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

  • Gregor
    Gregor

    Just saw on CNN that Al Sharpton will be one of the advisors to the Pres. on a replacement AG candidate.

    True.

  • designs
    designs

    Eric Holder did a good and professional job. I snicker to read anything from Darrell Issa, he is my Congressman, we know Darrell and he will never fill the shoes of someone like Eric Holder.

  • BizzyBee
    BizzyBee

    Re: Al Sharpton

    Update (3:17 p.m.): Sharpton sent a statement to Business Insider clarifying that he is not involved in the "decision making."

    "We did not say we are in the decision making. We are in conversation to reach out to them to have meetings about what we want to see in a successor," said Sharpton. "I have personally spoken to Attorney General Eric Holder today to express my views that he was the best civil rights Attorney General in history."

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/al-sharpton-says-hes-helping-pick-the-next-attorney-general-2014-9#ixzz3ES0MsPd5

    I would imagine the POTUS gets a few thousand letters per day advising him what he should do. Doesn't mean they're "advising" him.

  • Viviane
    Viviane

    I would comment on this hilarious train wreck of a thread, but I have to go volunteer at the local animal shelter.

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