Shouldn't this thread be titled "New Mental Illness Dealing with Awake! (and Watch Tower)"?
New Awake! Dealing With Mental Illness
by runForever 41 Replies latest watchtower bible
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Violia
I really think there was nothing wrong with the suggestions the wt gave , including #9. I might elborate on that one a bit to have it include anything that gets you outside of your own small world . I do think it is important to believe in something bigger than ourselves. There are all kinds of ways to do that.
I guess #1 was broad enough to include therapy but it has always been discourged. Elders told me therapists had sex with patients and hypnotized them. They were just too stupid to be believed.
sorry for spelling erors, no spell check on this board with IE11
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berrygerry
This JW may just possibly, need a teenie-weenie bit of help.
SS testified at the Hearing. Initially he was tearful when referencing his concern for his sister and her soul and faith. He spoke in an intelligent and coherent manner and was appeared forthright in his testimony. SS indicated that he did suffer from schizophrenia. He noted that he had joined the Jehovah Witness church and that he had gone to his parents home on March 20, 2010 and spoke with his sister about his faith and beliefs. He stated that he did so because in the past he had always helped her with such things as getting employment. He noted that he encouraged her to keep up her faith and pray to God. SS stated that his sister left the room in which they first were talking privately and so he followed her and began to speak with her in their first language again advising her that he was willing to walk with her and willing to support her in her faith. SS noted that he had her by the wrist and that he was asking her to come to the Kingdom Hall and walk the walk of faith. SS noted that at this time his sister’s boyfriend asked SS to leave the home. SS noted that he raised his voice and that SS said this was a “family matter” and “religious issue.” SS indicated that his sister was crying and that he then held his hand up to the boyfriend at which point the boyfriend pushed SS. SS stated he then punched the boyfriend in the right side of the face. SS noted that the boyfriend did not need medical attention. SS testified that he understood why the family felt threatened by this incident and that he relayed this information to the doctors. SS indicated that he was a non-violent person and that he would only harm others in self-defense if he were attacked first. SS indicated that he did not have a criminal record and had never harmed anyone in the past.
SS stated that he no longer struggled with demons. He noted that he had heard voices of demons who told him “Jesus was a fag” and that this was before Christmas service. SS noted that he became ill in January after hearing this voice. SS indicated that he also heard the voice of God. When asked if God was in charge, SS responded by stated that he had “submitted his will to God.” SS then indicated that he has not received instructions from God in the past but has heard comforting messages or comments on what SS was doing from God. SS indicated that he had never been told to harm anyone by either the demons or by God. SS noted that on one occasion he was driving down the street when his lane was coming to an end and there was no room to merge when God said “you’re safe” and then a clearing came in the traffic for him to merge into.
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berrygerry
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[9] The admitted facts and the psychological and psychiatric evidence provide a clear picture of the nature of the offence and the circumstances surrounding it. Mr. Bobocel admitted that he and Ms. Bigelow were having marital problems and Mr. Bobocel knew Ms. Bigelow was saving money to leave the relationship. On the evidence before me, it is probable that Mr. Bobocel had a disagreement with Ms. Bigelow on March 11, 2011, the date of the offence. Thereafter, between 5:55 AM and 6:30 AM, Mr. Bobocel went outside to retrieve a ball peen hammer from his truck. He then returned to the bedroom where Ms. Bigelow slept in her bed and struck her 3 times on the head with the hammer. Their 5 children were sleeping elsewhere in the home. Mr. Bobocel told police that he knew Roxanne was dead because she hadn’t moved for about an hour.
[12] The brutality of Mr. Bobocel’s actions are inarticulable and because Mr. Bobocel thereafter attempted to conceal his crime and to dispose of Ms. Bigelow’s body by grinding it up, no post-mortem was possible. In fact, only 60% of her remains were recovered and returned to her family for burial. Consequently, Mr. Bobocel’s admission that he struck Ms. Bigelow 3 times on the head is the only information the Court has regarding the manner and duration of the attack.
[14] He deprived 5 children of their mother and their father; the youngest of the children was only two at the time. Ms. Bigelow’s mother and sister must cope with the responsibility of raising five children and answering their unanswerable questions about that day. The lives of the people close to Ms. Bigelow will be forever changed by Mr. Bobocel’s actions that day.
[21] Finally, Mr. Bobocel is of Metis decent. For that reason, the Court ordered the pre-sentence report to address Gladue factors. It is recognized that Gladue principles are of limited relevance for crimes as serious as murder, but in any event, the Court concluded from that report that Gladue principles are not relevant at all in the circumstances of this case. The pre-sentence report states that Mr. Bobocel only became aware of his Metis background when he was 28 years old. He intends to take advantage of his Metis Settlement card for the benefits available to him when he is released and returns to his logging business. He has never lived on a Metis Settlement and does not intend to do so when released. More importantly, he was raised to follow the ways and traditions of a Jehovah’s Witness and has no desire to follow the ways of the Metis people.Right out of Fargo.
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wannaexit
Number 1 is a complete flip flop. They never encouraged seeking or following a mental health professional. I remember being told that a psychiatrist would tell you to have sex
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truthlover123
Got 3 sisters in our cong who are on meds, single, lonely, intelligent, self sufficient - last assembley we were councilled not to go to those who would speak against being a Witness, being part of a millenial world ending group ---- use prayer and association in service and the meetings to control those feelings... bull crap... there is not one who understands the complexity of a mental and emotional illness associated with no mate, no support.. all elders are married, usually have children and have no right to counsel on anything that deals with a psychiatric condition-- same as elders who counsel on child abuse issues...
The experiences they give on those who were contemplating suicide in other issues and were saved by a knock on the door by a Witness is so over exaggerated - which was another experience given at the one day recently. They didnt mention the several who committed suicide, brought up in the truth and were married with young children.... what about their mental outlook - where was their knock on the door?? Where were those elders who would read them a scripture to help them?
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berrygerry
The experiences they give on those who were contemplating suicide in other issues and were saved by a knock on the door by a Witness is so over exaggerated - which was another experience given at the one day recently.
This really struck home when reading Steven Hassan's book - and that people were praying to God for help, et voila, an encoounter with a Moonie. Mormons must have similar stories.
They didnt mention the several who committed suicide, brought up in the truth and were married with young children.... what about their mental outlook - where was their knock on the door??
I've mentioned before that I have personally known 5 JW adults, and 1 child, who have committed suicide. This does not include a number of others who have attempted.
I do not know a single "worldly" person who has attempted suicide.
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Listener
There's an interesting article W 88 10/15 dealing with mental illnesses. It does have a more considerate view of mental illnesses and it encourages elders to be of assistance and if it is serious then professional help is called for. Then it goes way off track with the following statement
So if the elders have good reason to suspect that demonic influence is involved, there is no harm in their making some inquiry. Has the person, for example, received any suspicious items directly and deliberately from individuals who are involved in some form of demonism? Disposal of such objects may bring relief. (Acts 19:18-20) Since Christians are told to “oppose the Devil,” the elders can also advise the afflicted one to reject any strange “voices” that could be of demonic origin. (James 4:7; Matthew 4:10) If a person feels under attack, he should pray fervently, calling upon Jehovah’s name out loud.—Ephesians 6:18; Proverbs 18:10.
Demonic involvement, however, appears to be the exception
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berrygerry
Has the person, for example, received any suspicious items directly and deliberately from individuals who are involved in some form of demonism? Disposal of such objects may bring relief. (Acts 19:18-20) Since Christians are told to “oppose the Devil,” the elders can also advise the afflicted one to reject any strange “voices” that could be of demonic origin.
Such bullcrap from the past. One of the JW's I knew (great person) committed suicide because of JW demon-mania - instead of getting treatment.
My insane demon-obsessed ex destroyed $1,000's of items, trying to get rid of voices (geez, years later, medication got rid of them).
New GD light - geez, those worldly professionals may have been on to something.
May 1, 2003 WT
If a Christian hears voices, does that necessarily mean that he is under demon attack?
No. While demons have been reported to manifest themselves in that way, many individuals who hear voices or experience other inexplicable, disturbing sensations have learned upon investigation that they have a medical problem.
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Apognophos
There's an interesting article W 88 10/15 dealing with mental illnesses...
That was the JW demon-mania of the '80s for ya.