Account of Jehovah's Witness Women Prisoners in Auschwitz (very creepy)

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  • prologos
    prologos

    I was impressed by the claim of the bible ( peace after god's intervention) and the BACK-UP that Witnesses provided by their stand against the Nazis. Having been raised in the early 40s in a boarding school for boys were mild but termined Anti - Nazi sentiment flourished by teaches and students together with an official Hitler youth veneer, I have high respect for anyone that stood up openly to these monsters.

    The stand of the witnesses gave kind of a stamp of approval to my bible belief of the peace prophecies to me, but

    I was puzzled and appaled by the virulent anti-semitism by the "brother" that passed the literature " make sure of all things" to me, but he was a post-war convert.

    Why are we discussing two issues her,1) the extraordinary perseverence of the witnesses of THOSE days, and 2) their supposed feelings about the jews?

  • kaik
    kaik

    I think it is important to say that JWs did indeed suffered and many died for their beliefs. Other thing is that many JWs are anti-semitics, especially the older generation I knew and many were interwar and postwar convert. Addtionally, not all JWs sufferred equally, and many lived in the WWII imprisonment in relative comfortability working as servant for highest Nazi officials likes Heydrich and after war revolutionary and various retribution tribunals wanted to prosecute them for compliance with the Nazis. The same issue is raised with victims of Stalinist oppression where some JWs collaborated with the communist regime and were informant for the state police. I had checked some of the names in the communist files opened after 1989 and I was actually suprised to see one of the elder name there as informant with his wife, DOB, addresses, and various information they provided to the state police. Some of the JWs that were well known in 1960's but died since since then were actually very active with the communist police. These information are well known and published. If there was collaboration during Stalin era, there was certainly during A.H.

  • prologos
    prologos

    These witnesses 75 years ago with anti-semite sentiments surely were disposed that way because of prior or family attitudes, and not because of wt indoctrination.

    Anti - semitism persisted after the war, the camps. Jewish camp survivors feared for their lives after the Nazies were gone and the protective "arbeit macht frei" gates opened.

    It is possible, that when history is written of all the sordid, false prophecies, delusional , bombastic lustering, deceit, abuse, hypocricy facts, and that writing reduces the wt legacy to it zero-sum meaning,

    The overall stand and rightness of the witness conduct in face of Nazi doctrine, atrocities will be a shing light.

  • TheOldHippie
    TheOldHippie

    "The Bible Students weren't part of the Watchtower Society at the outbreak of WW2"

    I think you here have a very USA-based view on the matter and try to make that view true also for Germany, but that is utterly false. The name JW did not "hit" in Germany, and they were known as Bible Students - Bibelforscher - all the way down to and thru WWII. True, there were a very few BS in the US sense of the word also imprisoned, but in Germany JWs were known as BS and hence were very much part of the WT.

    As to what the female prisoners are told to have said - I think it so very easy for us living under more or less peaceful conditions to think that "now that was strange!" when we see how people reacted in the camps, what survival strategies they chose etc., but it is so totally impossible for us to imagine what it would be like to live under such conditions. I think it is more than probable that quite a few us would have signed any paper at all or given names away freely only to get 5 minutes more, when the guys with guns and sticks and dogs gave us the best of what they had been taught to give ........ Austrian JWs suffered the highest amount of victims - deaths - as they were most "fanatical" of the JWs and refused to greet guards, to work etc., whereas the German JWs found strategies they could defend as to work, food, greetings etc., they gave a little, bended it a little, so that they could survive - survive to tell and to continue their work.

    And who are we to judge people who suffered so extremely that it is impossible for us to comprehend?

  • AndDontCallMeShirley
    AndDontCallMeShirley

    OrphanCrow: Apognophos, you may be thinking of the JWs Berlin convention in 1933. There are accounts that claim that the Nazi flag was displayed on the stage.

    No, Apog is correct.

    Here is the discussion with photos showing how Rutherford was flanked on both sides by the U.S. flag, then WT doctored the photos and removed the flags when recounting the event:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/214208/1/Watchtower-falsification-of-its-history

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos

    Yes, that's it, thank you ADCMS.

  • OrphanCrow
    OrphanCrow

    "I think you here have a very USA-based view on the matter and try to make that view true also for Germany, but that is utterly false. The name JW did not "hit" in Germany, and they were known as Bible Students - Bibelforscher - all the way down to and thru WWII. True, there were a very few BS in the US sense of the word also imprisoned, but in Germany JWs were known as BS and hence were very much part of the WT."

    The history of the 'JWs' in Germany often leaves out the significance of Conrad Binkele.

    "Addtionally, not all JWs sufferred equally, and many lived in the WWII imprisonment in relative comfortability working as servant for highest Nazi officials likes Heydrich and after war revolutionary and various retribution tribunals wanted to prosecute them for compliance with the Nazis. "

    I have made a list - a lengthy list - of the assignments that the BS/Jws 'prisoners' were given during the war.
    Most of this information comes from Between Resistance and Martyrdom: Jehovah's Witnesses in the Third Reich by Detlef Garbe and Dagnar G. Grimm.

    The following positions are in addition to the JWs that were at Wewelsburg - Wewelsburg Castle camp held just over 300 JW prisoners from 1940 0nwards. Wewelsburg is a discussion that requires more detail than this list.

    As early as 1938, Hans Loritz, the commanding officer of Dachau, had BS/Jws work for him privately. Loritz owned land near Lake Wolfgang in Salzkammergut (Austria) and used the Bible Students (crew of 9) to build a mansion boathouse and landing pier. Loritz later increased the work crew to 25 Bible Students after he had been transferred to the Sachenhausen camp in 1940. Also, SS Arthur Liebehenschel had a building project near lake Wolfgang that he used 15 Bible Students for a work crew as well.

    From 1940 and on, until 1945, 30 to 40 BS/Jws were assigned to work at Bayrischzell SS Mountain Hotel and Holiday Resort in Sudelfeld am Wendelstein. Their duties there were mostly groundskeeping - parks and garden maintenance and improvement. They had a fair degrree of freedom of movement and adequate food in spite of having to work hard.

    Between 30-40 BS/Jws were assigned to work at the SS Sanatorium Hohenlychen near Ravensbruck.
    This was a military hospital for the SS and it was used as a health resort for the Nazi leaders. Oswald Pohl, Albert Speer, Joseph Goebbels, Heinrich Himmler, Adolph Hitler, and others were known to use this resort. The BS/Jws assigned here did not wear a camp uniform but were able to administer their duties while wearing civilian clothing.
    The Sanatorium was run by Dr. Karl Gebhardt (Himmler's personal physician) who conducted surgical experiments on prisoners. He was also the president of the German Red Cross. Gebhardt was the physician who treated Reinhard Heydrich, who died from the injuries that were sustained in an attack on him. Gebhardt had refused to use sulfanamide on Heydrich's injuries and, later, conducted brutal experiments on prisoners to attempt to prove that he was right in not treating Heydrich's wounds with sulfa. Also, he was not well liked by Speers, who almost died from being treated by him. (Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer) Gebhardt was hung in 1948.

    Albert Speer, Hitler's architect, used a crew of BS/Jws (not sure how many) for construction and craftsman work at the Reich Main Security Office (RSHA) that housed the Gestapo and the SS in Berlin-Lichterfelde.

    Speer also used a crew of BS/Jws from Dachau to do the finishing work on the Munich Reich Chancellery that Speers had built for Hitler in 1939/40. The chancellery contained Hitler's living quarters.

    In the spring of 1944, 15 BS/Jw women were assigned to the Research-Hedin Institute for Inner-Asia at Mittersill Fortress Pinzgau. The castle was used as an outpost for Mauthausen Camp - which was used mainly for female BS/Jws.
    This research institute was funded by Himmler's Circle of Friends - Freundeskreis der Wirtschaft.- (a club for big business sycophants) and was concerned with investigating the genealogical heritage of the Aryan race.
    The Mittersill Castle had been owned in the 30s by an American - Baron Hubert von Pantz.

    Many of the BibleStudent/Jw 'prisoners' were assigned to agricultural estates during the war. These estates were owned by people with special connections or by SS officers and, usually these assignments had favorable conditions which included enough to eat - the estates were agriculturally based.

    Hartzwalde Estate
    - owned by Dr. Felix Kersten - Himmler's 'doctor' and private masseur
    - employed 10 female Bible Students
    *note - Kersten claims that he was responsible for Himmler's improved attitude to the BS/Jws. Kersten also provided information to the CIA during the war.

    Comthurey Estate
    - owned by Oswald Pohl - chief of the SS and WVHA - the Economic and Administrative Main Office of the Nazi SS
    - used up to 50 BS/Jws from Ravensbruck
    -it is here that the story of Jws being allowed to go unguarded into the forest to pick berries originates. The story is that the Jws were so trustworthy and that is why they didn't need guarding. At the time that these berry picking incidents were happening, conditions in Germany were not good - many of the general population was starving. Would you bother running away if you had a warm place to sleep and lots to eat at an estate??

    Heydrich Estate
    -owned by Reinhard Heydrich's widow
    -she requested a crew of 15 Bs/Jws to help her on her estate after Reinhard died in 1942
    - it was Lina Heydrich that petitioned Himmler to release the BS/Jws that were working on her estate. She argued that they should be released without signing the declaration usually required. Himmler agreed to this and several of the BS/Jws from this point on were released solely on a handshake.

    *the form letter that BS/Jws were usually required to sign to be released was a pledge to give up the doctrines of the Watchtower and to not engage in the proselytizing work. Contrary to what most Jws today will tell you, these letters were signed by the BS/Jws in Germany that were arrested - about 50 percent of those sent to prison signed the letters before they were released and only about 10 percent signed them once they reached the camps. As John-Stucke points out in her essay, it was not advantageous to the BS/Jw prisoners to sign the letters once they reached the camps because it was in effect, potentially signing their own death warrants. The men who signed would be sent to the front to fight and rarely returned. Staying in the camps was the safest and best way for the Bible Students and JWs to survive the war. Especially when they got assignments that placed them in places of privilege that fed and clothed and sheltered them - they ate while many in the rest of Europe and Britain starved.
    The myth that the BS/Jws didn't sign the papers because of God-loyalty is rather misguided - the lack of signing was not always a resistance/martyr move - it was a 'save my ass' move. Yes...many got badly treated because of not signing the papers...but many also took advantage of not serving at the front.

    *Himmler's proposal to release Bs/Jws on a handshake:
    "In all these cases where prisoners are partially free and have been assigned to such work we want to avoid written records and make such agreements with just a handshake."
    ****that is strange - a man who is known for his meticulous record keeping and he wants to avoid written records????
    **** "partially free" ....once a BS/Jw got a work assignment outside of their camp - they were considered partially free and the handshake only a formality

    The estates that follow were under the management of Deutsche Versuchsanstalt fur Ernahrung und Verpflegung (established by the SS in 1939).

    BS/Jws were assigned to work crews on the following farms/estates (some also used female BS/Jws for cooks for the farm workers):

    - Ravensbruck Estate
    - Werderhof Estate (near Stutthof Concentration Camp)
    - Raisko Estate (department of plant cultivation at the Kaiser Wilhem Institute)
    - Harmense Poultry Farm
    - Fish farming facilities at Unterfahlheim near Munich
    - Rumbler Estate
    - Fechter Estate
    - Preller Estate
    - St. Lambrecht Estate
    - a farm in Fridolfing Upper Bavaria

    The female BS/Jws were much prized as domestics by the SS officers; the assignment of one or more female BS/Jws was considered to be part of the SS officers' benefit packages and they were assigned in strict hierarchical order to those officers who qualified for them.

    15 women were assigned out of the Auschwitz camp and included the following positions:
    - one position with Dr. Edward Wirths, the Auschwitz medical doctor
    - one position with Josef Kramer, the commanding officer of Auschwitz ll (Birkenau)
    - 9 positions assigned each to nine unnamed SS officers
    - two positions with Rudolf Hess, commanding officer
    - two positions with SS Obersturmbannfuhrer Dr. Joachim Caesar, leader of the agricultural estates of the Auschwitz camp

    In 1943, several BS/Jw women were selected from Ravensbruck camp to be nursemaids and cleaning ladies for families of SS leaders.
    It is unknown how many were chosen for these domestic positions but they included the following families:
    - Oswald Pohl, chief of WVHA (he also had a BS/Jw farm crew - already mentioned)
    - SS Obergruppenfuhrer Dr. Hans Kammler, leader of Department C - building department of the WVHA
    - SS Sturmbannfuhrer Karl Mummenthey, Storm Battalion Leader and Leader of Department W1 at the WVHA (building materials)

    At the Buchenwald Camp, BS/Jws were assigned to work in the photo lab and in the sculptor workshop.

    Also, Buchenwald was in charge of special living quarters outside of the camp that were used for special political prisoners.
    The JW inmates were assigned as personal servants to these special prisoners.

    The Italian King Victor Emmanuel lll was under arrest inside of Buchenwald and his daughter, Princess Mafalda of Hessen, was housed at the Fichtenhain Settlement. A female JW was transferred over from Ravensbruck to be her personal servant. The living quarters were also staffed with JWs who worked as caretakers and other servants.

    The Falkenhof Settlement housed two "special prisoners" - the former French prime minister, Leon Blum and the former minister of the interior, Georg Mandel.
    Joachim Escher, a JW who had also been at Wewelsburg, was assigned to be their personal servant. He cleaned house, served meals and did dishes for these two political prisoners.

    Garbe also, in his book, makes reference to additional "positions of trust" and "priviledged positions" that many of the JWs were given during the war but it is unclear as to where they were assigned. He says that they were specialized craftsmen, clerks for SS officers, barbers, caretakers and cooks. Garbe also says that the JWs, during the final years of the war, held positions of "prisoners' self-administration" including foremen and supervisor positions but, only in a few cases were they 'block leaders'.
    They were also selected to work under Oswald Pohl in positions of trust handling money and financial accounts for the SS.

    It is interesting to note that towards the end of the war, Himmler had proposed the following concessions for the JW prisoners:
    - no punishment
    - no work in armament production
    - work assignments to privileged positions
    - concentration camp releases without the requirement to sign statement renouncing their faith

  • prologos
    prologos

    OC very insightful, yhank you for posting. Did not the "Declaration" also include a clause that the signee would support the Nazi /National cause in addition to stop the wt propaganda?

    With the tales of Joseph, the three Hebrews, this episode shows how priced true believers are. why wt wants hang to it's slaves.

  • kaik
    kaik

    The estate of Lina Heydrich was at the outskirt of Prague, but today it is just couple miles from end of the subway station "C" almost at the entrance of the city. There were actually two chateaus in Panenské Břežany, one owned by K.H. Frank and second by Lina Heydrich. Lina employed mostly German and Dutch JWs who lived there until arrival of the Red Army. I am not sure if any JWs were working at second chateau at the service of Carola Blazek Frank, the wife of K.H. Frank for certainity, because Czech records have Lina listed as Bible students, but other records mentions the word Jehovah witnesses at the service of Reichprotector (but no mention which one both K.H Frank and Heydrich were Reichprotectors during WWII). In Czechoslovakia the Jehovah Witness name was used since 1930'. I have seen books published in Czech language with this name, not under Bible Students. I think this is source for some of the confussions when dealing with JW/BS from Bohemia versus Germany. Carola would employ most likely JW from her native city of Most, which was in Sudetenland, and headquarters of the JW community for German speaking population of interwar Czechoslovakia. The oldest KH in Bohemia was in Most since 1911. Carola was fluent in Czech and German; extremely beautifull, charming, and liked by everyone. After war she was arrested and deported into USSR, and she suppossed to be seen in Prague in the 60's-80's. All her workers employed at Prague and Panenské Břežany were arrested and brought in front of retributional tribunal to investigate their conduct during WWII, which included nany and medical staff (Carola was also doctor working at Bulovka hosptial). JWs/BS who were at Lina Heydrich were not native to Bohemia and Czechoslovakia, were sent back o their native country. This would not be the case for JWs who were at service of Carola. I wish to know more, but there is just fraction of information I heard and read over these years. I remember than around 1980 there were talks that some JWs in Protectorate were investigated after war for compliance and non-resistance to Nazis and they won because they pointed to persecution of JWs under Hitler. Communist regime did not start until 1948 where most of the retribution courts were already closed.

  • OrphanCrow
    OrphanCrow

    "Did not the "Declaration" also include a clause that the signee would support the Nazi /National cause in addition to stop the wt propaganda?"

    The following is a copy of the declaration as it was published by the Watchtower Society in one of their publications:

    *from the website http://www.holocaust-trc.org/jehovahs-witnesses/declaration-renouncing-beliefs/

    Declaration Renouncing Beliefs

    Jehovah’s Witnesses, incarcerated in prisons and concentration camps, were given the opportunity to be freed if they signed this statement renouncing their beliefs. Few did so, even when beaten or tortured by their guards.

    DECLARATION RENOUNCING BELIEFS
    Concentration camp …………………………………………………………..
    Department II

    DECLARATION

    I, the ……………………………………………………………………………….
    Born on ……………………………………………………………………………
    In ……………………………………………………………………………………
    herewith make the following declaration:

    1. I have come to know that the International Bible Students Association is proclaiming erroneous teachings and under the cloak of religion follows hostile purposes against the State.
    2. I therefore left the organization entirely and made myself absolutely free from the teachings of this sect.
    3. I herewith give assurance that I will never again take any part in the activity of the International Bible Students Association. Any persons approaching me with the teaching of the Bible Students, or who in any manner reveal their connections with them, I will denounce immediately. All literature from the Bible Students that should be sent to my address I will at once deliver to the nearest police station.
    4. I will in the future esteem the laws of the State, especially in the event of war will I, with weapon in hand, defend the fatherland, and join in every way the community of the people.
    5. I have been informed that I will at once be taken again into protective custody if I should act against the declaration given today.

    ……………………………………………………..Dated………………………..
    ………………………………………………………………………….Signature

    Reprinted and translated in Jehovah’s Witnesses: Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom (New York: Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., 1993); p. 661.

    This is a good example of how the Society's bias informs their presentation of history. In the previous post, I presented information from an outside researcher that claimed over 50% of the Bible Students signed the pledge while imprisoned and 10% signed after they were sent to the camps and the reasons were given as to why it was more favorable not to sign than sign once a person reached the camps.

    And yet the Society's spin is quite different, claiming very few signed.

    That is a significance difference in perspective and which is the correct one? Or do the true figures or 'correct' viewpoint lie somewhere in between? I tend to gravitate towards the independent and outside researcher. The Society's track record for presenting truthful facts is not good. In fact, the Society's entire history is riddled with lies and confusion.

    This is why researching history is so fascinating and frustrating at the same time. There are so many different accounts with each having their particular bias and ethnocentric point of view that it is important to acknowledge the biases behind the interpretation of historical 'facts'. For example, I once tried to track down a comment made in one of the Society's publications concerning Felix Kersten, Heinrich Himmler's personal 'doctor'. Apparently, the quote was taken from Kersten's Diary. So, I got Kersten's Diary, read it, never found the quote or any reference whatsoever to what the Watchtower claimed. Then I found out that Kersten had left behind so many pages of handwritten material, that it was heavily edited, not once, but, I believe, six times, which each edited version being published in different countries, and with different material presented in each. The diaries have been criticized for deliberately presenting material in order to either hide certain details or distort what Kersten actually recorded. I had read the version published in Britain. There was a version published in New York which is more than likely the edition the Society used.

    And speaking of different versions of publications, the Society has a history of publishing very different material in their German magazines than those published in Britain or North America.

    A poster earlier had made the comment that we have a USA based view here. That is simply because the material that exposes the history of the German Watchtower to the North American audience is only recently accessible. I have discovered many interesting things from visiting German websites.

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