I've just finished reading about a Syrian women, accused of adultary, who was stoned to death.
Apparently her own father helped tie her up and threw the last rock, killing her.
Were all the men involved in this atrocity mentally ill?
Despicable crazy people
by jgnat 32 Replies latest social current
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cofty
Ayaan Hirsi Ali describes the way her father and young brother would go to the mosque every Friday when they lived in Saudi. After prayers everybody would go to "Chop-Chop" square to see the week's judicial punishments.
A whole bunch of men and women would be publicly flogged, stoned to death, have hands amputated, or be beheaded depending on their "crime". Being raped was worthy of death.
This happened every Friday in the centre of one of the most modern cities in any muslim country in the world.
Her brother went on to develop a mental illness.
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jgnat
...so what is the religiously motivated factor to school shootings? How many repeats do we need before we get to the root of THAT problem?
I'm running this as another analogy, not to degrade a great country and it's people, but to try and shake a few people out of their prejudices.
Anecdotal, Cofty, and you know better. Are you inspiring cool and intelligent discussion, or a visceral reaction?
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jgnat
Broad brush again, Simon. If you call me lame one more time I am out of here for good.
I am telling you the specific incident that set you off, the Oklahoma beserker, went "postal". Not the first American to do so, and not the last. It is unfair to the millions of Muslim believers to declare their religion to be a disease, and the cause of all beheading beserkers like the Oklahoman.
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Simon
jgnat: don't tell me what I feel or why. Yes, I can feel strongly about an individual innocent person being murdered in a horrific way just as I can about tens of thousands of people from a different culture facing genocide and the abduction of their women and children because of some moronic belief system.
There is a difference between calling someone lame ... and someone's argument lame. But you seem keen to be offended so I'm sure you already knew that.
You seemed to be blaming this particular islamic killing on mental illness with no basis or evidence whatsoever - I find that abhorent as it would do nothing but contribute to stigmatization of people with genuine mental health issues. They do not need to be lumped in with those evil people at all and you should know better.
All the time you are just trying to obfuscate the issue by throwing up irrelevent and unconnected events. Really? Using horrific murder by the mentally ill and now school shootings of children to try and make out that islam doesn't have problems?
Unbelievable.
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LoveUniHateExams
@jgnat
Which mental disorder were the men who stoned the Syrian woman to death (see my post no. 184) suffering from?
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humbled
Jgnat,
Simon lamely uses "lame" when he gets riled up. You have riled him--but he has used it before. Hang on this-- is a good thread. Threads dealing directly with Islam are insufficient in their scope--so this is a good way to get into the issues. But you know how hot it gets on a worthy thread.
I think we need this thread to become a loom to handle the full cloth of discussion that the problem of how cruel/ weak human behavior is accomodated and managed in communities. The Islamic community has accomodated horrors much as the United States community for so long accomodated outrages against the children of slaves with scenes after church where families witnessed lynchings just as cofty mentioned in Saudi Arabia.
a couple of things seems implied in the OP here: When does a behavior qualify as mental illness within a community? And what ways are there to censure it or uproot it from the minds of the community in which it lives.
Buckle on your thickest brass neck, Jgnat. We need you.
Maeve
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cofty
...so what is the religiously motivated factor to school shootings?
None. That's a red herring.
When muslims tell us that they flog, stone, maim and behead myriads of their own because the law of Allah demands it, we should pay them the respect of believing them.
These are not rational, secular punishments or the acts of individual psychopaths. They are religiously motivated acts of organised barbarity.
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Simon
Actually, the article you linked to jgnat is a text-book example of the politically-correct denial that exists right now towards islam. Under the "Reported Islamic connection" heading:
The Federal Bureau of Investigation was called in, however, after it was reported he had tried to convert other employees to Islam.
Sounds like he's interested in islam?
Police officials believed that Nolen had been recently converted while imprisoned, as prison records show that Nolen has a tattoo reading "Assalamu Alaikum", an Arabic greeting that translates to "Peace be with you".
Islamic expressions of peace are 100% guaranteed and can be relied on ...
After his arrest, news websites published information from his Facebook page, in which he calls himself "Jah'Keem Yisrael" and uploaded photos of himself reading the Koran and wearing Muslim religious clothing. His online posts were often related to Islamist interests, condemning the United States and Israel, also claiming that sharia law was coming.
Yeah, interested in islam and wants it to take over
Investigators found that he began worshiping at a mosque in Oklahoma City, though it was unclear which one. His behavior was described as "a little odd", but not raising any "red flags".
So not a crazy muslim then? Didn't stand out? Normal? Moderate?
His Facebook page features photos of Taliban fighters and Osama bin Laden, as well as a photo of the September 11 attacks that was captioned:
"A Future Prophecy Revelation 18:8 She (The statue Of Liberty) is going into flames. She and anybody who's with her."
So radical ... but didn't stand out at the mosque. How does that work?
And now the PC part where islam dare not be blamed for anything:
Police stated that they are investigating the incident as workplace violence, and established that it was not a domestic situation. In light of recent concerns about beheadings carried out by ISIS, Moore police immediately announced they could find "no evidence the attack was inspired by any similar events in the Middle East or by religious fundamentalism".
Seems like a strange thing for then to announce, especially immediately.
Note thought that the article makes no mention of mental illness.
So what was your point supposed to be?
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Simon
My use of lame fits perfectly with the dictionary definition:
"(of an explanation or excuse) unconvincingly feeble."
As in " jgnat, I find your explanation and excuses for islam unconvincingly feeble" or, to save typing and be more succinct: "that is a lame attempt".
It is nothing to do with 'being riled' although it can be frustrating when people refuse to accept basic facts, rehash arguments already adressed as though they are new and try to throw completely irrelevent issues into the discussion.
They are just techniques to try to win an argument when the one you have is very week. Try to annoy your opponent to get them to say something or throw out an insult so that offence can be taken and people can storm of in a cloud of righteous indignation. That seems to be the plan as far as I can tell. I certainly haven't seen much in the way of logical argument or facts being presented.