Witnesses wait on their God to kill their enemies at Armageddon.ISIS prefers to carry out killings themselves.
Bangalore
The Witness beliefs remind me of the Nazis and ISIS
by NAVYTOWN 24 Replies latest jw friends
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Bangalore
Bangalore
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Vidiot
Varying degrees of extremism is still extremism.
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punkofnice
The bit that reminds me of the Nazis is the propaganda artwork of smiley happy people.
I'm not sure the JWs have plans to invade Poland as such and I'm not sure even the most uber-dub is a radicalised as an islamic extremist. there is time for that I grant you.
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OrphanCrow
Prologos, you said:
NS propaganda, Goebbels were False Prophets too, because:
Their doctrine had it that they rule (Reich) had started in ~1933, would last a 1000 years, in the background were 144 pillars, to stand that long, obedience to all commands, "even if they seem to irrational at the time"
no elections, all appointments by fiat.
ostrasizing, shunning, elimination of all those disagreeing.
-- a chosen race-- ruling as kings, --dukes--, a two-tier systems of humans,
Isis? they don't celebrate birthdays, christmas, easter either.
The Nazi SS didn't celebrate Christmas either. Heinrich Himmler was obsessed with creating a 'religion' suitable for his vision of a 'New Germany' in the Thousand Year Reign of the Third Reich that was to follow once Germany had the power to make it happen. And Christmas wasn't part of his new religion.
I would like to add a few words about Himmler's SS and the organization's early days. Briefly. ;)
In the years prior to Hitler and his National Socialist Party taking control of the German government, and well before the start of the Second World War, a small group of elite men were being formed – the SS (AKA – the Order of the Death’s Head). The SS was to be the cream of German society, excemplifying all the virtues and physical characteristics of the ‘Aryan’ people.
This small band of men, the SS, numbered only 280 by 1928 and was overshadowed by another existing group of military men called the SA. Later, the SS was to swell to over 50,000 members by 1932 under the direction of Heinrich Himmler. Originally implemented as a quasi bodyguard unit for Hitler and the Nazi Party, the SS eventually became a powerful force of control and intimidation in the Third Reich.
In the early days of the SS’s formation, however, it was anything but powerful. In fact, one of the duties of the sworn SS man was to distribute and sell the propaganda literature for the Nazi party. (From Order of the Death's Head pg 26-27, Hohne)
In each locality [Gemeinde] the SS was not allowed to exceed ten per cent of the SA, so by 1928 it had only reached the miserable figure of 280 men. The SS elite frequently had to allow themselves to be ordered about by SA commanders and do the chores, such as delivering orders of the day, distributing propaganda material and selling the Volkischer Beobachter. The scale of their achievements can be judged by the following report from the year 1926: "During October the SS recruited throughout the Reich; 249 new members for the NSDAP, 54 new readers for the Volkischer Beobachter, 169 new readers for the Sturmer, 82 new readers for the Nationalsozialist, 140 new readers for the Sudwestdeutscher Beobachter, 475 new readers for the Westdeutscher Beobachter, 189 new readers for the remaining National-Socialist newspapers. In addition 2000 copies of the Illustrierte Beobachter were sold." The report was headed sarcastically; "So this is what we do!"
It appears like those SS officers would have no problem identifying with the Bible Students/Jehovah's witnesses of that time. You know the old saying..."...birds of a feather..." and all that...
I also read a book called Of Pure Blood by Marc Hillel and Clarissa Henry. It is an account of the Lebensborn maternity homes.
Along with the concentration camps being put into place – {concentrating impure and undesirable elements of society into places where they could be managed and kept separate from the population at large) – were the establishment of maternity homes– these were called ‘Lebensborns’. These maternity homes were being established before the war broke out and the purpose of these homes was to breed desirable children for the Fuhrer. Suitable young women, (and these were not just of German origin, Nordic women were very desirable for this role because of their fairness of skin and hair) were paired with Hiltler’s SS men in order to create a Master Race. Over the course of more than a decade, several thousand children were bred, born and distributed out of these maternity homes that were situated throughout Germany and Norway and the Netherlands.
Not only were these ‘bred’ children given to the Fuhrer, the race selection process extended far beyond the confines of Germany itself. By the end of the War, many, many children had been selected and kidnapped from places such as Poland and Russia. The preferred child was fair and blue eyed and would simply be taken from schools, villages, and anywhere where children could be found. They were given to ‘good’ Nazi/German families to be raised and ‘Germanized’.
The authors make reference in one very small place in the book to the Jehovah's Witnesses. If a person blinked, they would miss it...
(pg 104 Of Pure Blood)
…Frau S., for instance, who presented a son to the Fuhrer at Steinhoring in 1943, is now an active Jehovah’s Witness. "Then Hitler was my god," she told us. "Since then, I have found the only true God."
Ah...how easy for the right minded person to switch allegiance from one 'Supreme Ruler'....to another....'Supreme Ruler'....and how easy to give a child in mad adoration to one and then...later, to be asked to lay another on the altar of blood...
James Penton confirms this phenomena, the conversion of those who held Nazi ideologies to that of the Jehovah's Witness ideology, in his book Jehovah's Witnesses and the Third Reich: Sectarian Politics Under Persecution:
Even when the SS became aware of what the Witnesses were doing during these years at Neuengamme and at other camps, they did little to stop them. This meant that the Witnesses could make many converts among other prisoners, both men and women. Many of these were Russians, Ukrainians, Poles and other eastern Europeans, but there were a few Jews as well. Amazingly, too, they converted a few SS guards. All of this was to be very important later for the spread of the Witness message. At the end of the war, Eastern European converts were to take their newly adopted Witness faith back to their homelands, where it was to spread despite the opposition of Communist governments.
Also, Marley Cole, in his(Knorr's) book, Jehovah's Witness and the New World Society, makes reference to a former SS member whom he interviewed, I believe, at the Watchtower Farms. The former member of Himmler's elite had switched his allegiance from Hitler to Jehovah.
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AlphaMan
Rutherford was the the JW equivilent to Hitler and Fraz was his Himmler.
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prologos
OC, when I arrived at Bethel and settled into the daily routine, it was so easy because of the identical Hitler-youth routine under which we lived in the 19 40s, in the KLV camps, another way to sequester people in those days.
Kinder= chlldren; Land=Country side; Verschickung=sending. facilties used by the government to house kids removed from the threatening bombing.
unquestioned obedience.
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apostrate
ISIS beheads apostates. Jehovahs Witnesses spiritually behead apostates (disfellowshipping, treating the apostate as though he/she were dead). Both have a similar agenda, convert or die.
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OrphanCrow
I was reading through my notes and realized I need to make a correction. Marley Cole's book that mentions the SS member who was at Watchtower Farms was Trumphant Kingdom.
Prologos, the Himmler worship was evident in the Society men durng the late 50s and the 60s. My father attended the Kingdom Ministry School in Toronto in mid 60s and returned with almost hero worship. I heard the same expressed amongs other JW men of the time
Felix Kersten, in one of his journals, desvribes Himmler's plan for the 1000 year reign of the Third Reich and it is uncannily similar to Bethel and the farm and lots more.
Loyalty and obedience was the motto of Himmler's elite SS.
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Band on the Run
There is one major difference that I see. Jehovah's Witnesses are not the de facto government of any country or land area. This is a good thing. The Witnesses have no history of violence. Witnesses do not participate in regular politics. The WTBTS' NGO UN and European Community status changes this summary. These are clearly political organization. Also, there are millions, if not hundreds of millions of good, sober citizens who will stop them from gaining power even if they tried. The Witnesses need Armageddon. We do not. No, they are NOT Nazis or ISIS. Western democracies stand in their way.
