Imperfect but 'Glorious Ones" daily text Oct.29.2014

by prologos 17 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  bennyk

  " how inappropriate it would be for any member of the congregation to react according to the world’s spirit, vehemently demanding “justice” or that “something be done.."

  The Apostles do not agree:

  "... a murmuring arose on the part of the Greek-speaking Jews against the Hebrew-speaking Jews because their widows were being overlooked in the daily distribution." (Acts 6:1)

  "... when YOU come together in a congregation, I hear divisions exist among YOU; and in some measure I believe it." (1 Corinthians 11:17)

  "I wrote something to the congregation, but Diotrephes, who likes to have the first place among them, does not receive anything from us with respect. That is why if I come, I will call to remembrance his works which he goes on doing, chattering about us with wicked words. Also, not being content with these things, neither does he himself receive the brothers with respect, and those who are wanting to receive them he tries to hinder and to throw out of the congregation." (3 John 9,10)
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  DATA-DOG

  R&F: Brother Touch n'stuff molested my child! I demand justice!

  GB: STFU!!! We are the boss of you!

  The end.

  DD
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  Gentledawn

  Wednesday, October 29
  These men . . . are . . . disregarding
  lordship and speaking abusively
  of glorious ones.—Jude 8.
  
  Obviously(?), such a spirit has no
  place in the Christian congregation.
  Older men in the congregation
  are not perfect, just as they
  were not perfect in the time of
  the apostles. Elders may make
  mistakes that affect us personally.
  If that happens, how inappropriate
  it would be for any member
  of the congregation to react
  according to the world’s spirit,
  vehemently demanding “justice”
  or that “something be done
  about this brother”! Jehovah may
  choose to overlook certain minor
  failings. Can we not(? Why use a "not"
  here, when leaving it out says the
  same thing?) do the same?
  Because of what they perceive
  as defects in the elders, some individuals
  who engage in serious
  wrongdoing in the congregation (such as
  questioning doctrine, or the source of
  Governing Body's spiritual anointing,
  although they claim not to be prophets,
  etc)
  have refused to appear before a
  committee of elders assigned to
  help them. This could be likened
  to a patient who loses out on the
  benefits of a treatment because
  he does not like something about
  the doctor.
  w12 10/15 2:6, 7

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  "This could be likened
  to a patient who loses out on the
  benefits of a treatment because
  he does not like something about
  the doctor." -
  
  Ya know, because going to a QUACK always works out in the end... NOT.

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  Jude chapter 8 (NIV)
  8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings (in some translations: "glorious ones" = celestial beings, or angels).

  ALL English translations of Jude 8:
  http://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Jude%201:8
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  Hairtrigger

  Marked. Thanks.
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  Mary

  " how inappropriate it would be for any member of the congregation to react according to the world’s spirit, vehemently demanding “justice” or that “something be done.."

  While this could cover any number of things---from someone defrauding you to adultery, I have a sneaky suspicion that this is aimed at parents whose children have been sexually molested by a fellow Dub but where nothing is done to the molester because there wasn't the all-important '2 eye witnesses'. It seems that more and more parents are not content to "leave it in Jehovah's hands" and they're going to the police themselves.

  In addition to the Candice Conti case, there are at least 3 more sexual abuse lawsuits that have been filed against Crooklyn in the last few weeks. Not only are they getting really bad international press on the subject, but it's costing them alot of $$$.

  "This could be likened to a patient---that does not like something about the doctor"

  Ya. Kinda like the dickhead doctor I had that misdiagnosed my cancer for 2 frigging years. If I had not taken matters into my own hands, I wouldn't be sitting here today. Are they suggesting that we do whatever our doctor says, even when he/she doesn't know what they're doing and where they've had multiple complaints against them?

  What a bunch of idiots.....
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  EdenOne

  They forget how Jesus gave as an example to follow that widow that persisted in demanding justice from a judge, until justice was finally granted to her. (Luke 18:1-8) She didn't 'wait on Jehovah' in quiet, reverent silence before the "superior authority" appointed by God's agency. She felt the injustice and spoke up and was vocal about defending her rights.

  Eden
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  prologos

  These are very good additional posts, ripping this pacifier adressed by thr leaders to the jws to shreds, thank you.
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  LisaRose

  Jehovah may choose to overlook certain minor
  failings.

  What about failings that are not minor? I cannot imagine the average JW risking everything because of a "minor failing" on the part of some elder. And why do elders get a pass? I think most JWs are shocked when they find out the hard way that there is a double standard. While they would be disciplined for a major sin, the old boys network of the elder body are held to a different standard. Of course the individual wants something to be done, they have been told that "Jehovah's Organization" doesn't do these things, why wouldn't they expect wrongdoing to be fixed. Hypocrisy at its finest.

  This could be likened to a patient who loses out on the
  benefits of a treatment because he does not like something about
  the doctor.

  And if the doctors shows up for your surgery drunk, would it be foolish to object ? Why would anyone take advice from an elder that doesn't follow basic bible principles of honesty and integrity.