Mommy says no Christmas

Anony Mous

Daughter is 3 now, that's a little less than I've been on this forum. You can find my life story in earlier posts. Enough to say that I have a generous amount of visitation with her.

I picked her up and was talking about the lights some of her neighbors had. She likes the 'light brights'. So I ask her what she wants for Christmas. She says "Mommy says no Christmas". So I try to reason with her that it's okay to do it with daddy. "Mommy says no Christmas and no birthday". After some talking, I find out she likes the presents and the "light brights" but mommy says no Christmas. She seemed to get confused so I left it alone.

I hope she likes Christmas, she liked it the last two years, this would be her third. I don't know how to reason with a 3 year old, I got her presents, she likes planets and lights so I got her a light-up solar system. My partners are getting her some things as well as my partners' family. I'm setting up my own 'light brights', I hope she sees the dichotomy.

I've been drinking today but I wished brainwashing kids like this was considered legally to be child abuse. Fuck the Witnesses, I wish someone would burn down their empire.

sloppyjoe2

Simple, when she wakes up for Christmas she will very quickly forget that mommy says no Christmas when she sees the presents.

Anony Mous

BTW: Still not disfellowshipped ;-)

flipper

ANONYMOUS- I'm so sorry that your JW ex-wife is manipulating your young daughter's mind through WT propaganda . I agree with you- mind control and manipulation of children's minds SHOULD be considered child abuse. I'll tell you what- if you gave me a secret identity I'd go undercover within the walls of Bethel with a undercover team of ex-JW's to get the dirt on them and expose the criminal nature of this organization. Someone would have to help pay my expenses - but I'd have the balls to do it - believe me. This organization has done so much harm to my family I can't even tell you how much. I have two JW adult daughters aged 27 and 26 who have shunned me for 11 years now. If I had a rocket launcher- I'd shove it up the GB's collective ass- believe me.

Keep close to your young daughter my friend and keep influencing her to accept things that the WT Society and her mom are telling her incorrectly are harming her. Keep her involved in the real world now at a young age because you don't want her to be shunning you when she grows up. DO NOT GIVE UP. I haven't given up on my daughters either- but I don't have as much influence on them as I did when they were young. And when they were young I was a mind controlled JW myself. Do I have regrets ? You bet I do. But I never give up hope. Don't you give up either my friend. Keep on keeping on and loving your daughter. Protect her from growing up in this twisted cult. Hang in there buddy

Spectre

To me it sounds like you need a Festivus miracle!

Get yourself a Festivus tree, "light brights", etc. and call it good.

cultBgone

Anon, keep telling her in a very calm manner that Oh, there's nothing wrong with Christmas...deal with the Birthday thing later. Tell her you know mommy doesn't like it but it's okay to think for yourself. She may be only three, but she has a brain and this is the age to train it.

As long as you remain calm, happy and smiling, she'll think of you as The Good Guy. Mommy will start to look like a crazy talker at some point.

Best wishes to you and your girl!

Scully

It's really hard for a 3 year old to be in the middle when parenting conflicts like this arise. Be prepared for repercussions such as attempts at limiting visitation or finding yourself DFd and then having your daughter told "no daddy".

I don't want to rain on your parade, but it can be very confusing for your daughter. Obedience to her mom and her mom's belief are very often co-mingled with love for her mom, and she may feel that by observing Christmas with you that she is going to make her mom (and Jehovah) sad, because that's how we were trained to teach our children about Christmas and birthdays when we were JWs.

I've mentioned the following podcast a couple of times before, it's regarding raising children in a mixed (religious and secular) family. The guest on the show is Dale McGowan who's written a book called Parenting Beyond Belief, which I think is a must-read for anyone who has left the JWs but has a spouse or ex-spouse who remains in the JWs and wants to co-parent effectively. He also runs a website and has written books dedicated to raising children so that they know how to think rather than what to think.

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/podcast/secular-parenting-with-dale-mcgowan

http://parentingbeyondbelief.com/

clarity

Just keep going along putting up lites etc

don't say much ...just let her be attracted.

Leave new toys and clothes & dollies around,

let her explore. Good luck!

Flipper ...my thoughts too"If I had a rocket launcher- I'd shove it up the GB's collective ass- believe me.

problemaddict 2

and also....who cares about Christmas. I'm no longer a JW, but I probably will never do Christmas. Wether that holiday is traditionally celebrated or not will probably have nothing to do with how you influence your little girl to think on her own in the grand scheme of things. :)

J-DUBBED

I wished brainwashing kids like this was considered legally to be child abuse. Fuck the Witnesses, I wish someone would burn down their empire.

Why the hell shouldn't it be considered "Child Abuse"???

They take innocent little children that can't defend themselves and FUCK with their minds.

I suppose that gives all the fucksticks in King Dumb Hole a feeling of POWER over everyone.

One day..................Their Day Will Come. Just not soon enough.

Mommy says no Christmas

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