Is is Muslim terrorist cafe seige Sydney...hundreds of hostages! looks bad.

by Witness 007 98 Replies latest jw experiences

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  Simon

  IllRideWithyou:

  The spark was this post on Facebook by Rachael Jacobs, who said she'd seen a woman she presumed was Muslim silently removing her hijab while sitting next to her on the train: "I ran after her at the train station. I said 'put it back on. I'll walk with u'. She started to cry and hugged me for about a minute - then walked off alone'.

  First of all "presumed" she was muslim? Do other people chose to wear them?

  Why tell her to put it back on? She was about to have a moment in the sun and maybe a chance to connect with her follow human beings instead of wearing a costume to force her apart and isolate her.

  Maybe she was waking up to the idea that publicly identifying yourself as being one of the same tribes that commit these acts is actually a bad thing. If the commandments to wear those costumes must be followed then why not the other commands too that the extremists use? Waking up to the reality of religion often starts with questioning the little things. It's the reason that the fundamentalists are so insistent that they have to be followed to the letter.

  A better campaign would be 'WeAreAllHuman'. Take off your costume. Stop making yourself different. Join us, leave them.
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  LoveUniHateExams

  JWdaughter: He was a refugee and he knows what kind of hell the people are being put through because of military intervention by the west.

  cofty: As opposed to the paradise that was Afghanistan previously?

  I read in the Mail that he came from Iran. If this is true then he probably emigrated due to the oppressive Iranian regime, nothing to do with the US.
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  Simon

  JWdaughter: He was a refugee and he knows what kind of hell the people are being put through because of military intervention by the west.

  Just to be clear - he was born in Iran and had been living in Australia for at least a decade, was accused of 50 cases of indecent and sexual assault as well as the murder and burning of his ex-wife.

  This is not someone who was protesting anyone elses treatment. He was the self-centered monster in all of this. He just didn't like the government telling his that his actions weren't allowed.
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  sammielee24

  //partial script from CNN -

  Monis was using the name Mohammad Hassan Manteghi -- his birth name, according to Iran's state news agency IRNA -- and claimed to be a "healer," according to the report.

  Monis also pleaded guilty last year to writing offensive "poison pen" letters to the families of Australian soldiers who died in Afghanistan, and was sentenced to 300 hours of community service. The letters were "sadistic, wantonly cruel and deeply wounding," one High Court judge said at the time, according to CNN affiliate Seven News.

  But the criminal accusations against him began even before he came to Australia.

  Monis fled his homeland in 1995 while being sought for allegedly committing fraud, Iran's semi-official Fars News reported.

  A spokesperson at Iran's embassy in Canberra told CNN that Tehran had officially requested Monis's extradition but nothing had come of it. Monis had been granted political asylum in 2001 and had had no further contact with his birth country, the spokesperson said.

  An extremist theology

  Manny Conditsis, a lawyer who acted for Monis in relation to the accessory to murder and letter-writing charges, told CNN his former client had been a cleric in Shiite Iran, but had become critical of the Islamic Republic's government in the late 1990s, and fled to Australia "because he was going to be killed."

  He had left behind a wife and two children, who he believed Monis had not seen since.

  Throughout the 2000s, said Conditsis, Monis "became sympathetic to what he perceived ... was the victimization of Muslims and Islamists around the world, and partly at least took up that cause."

  His broader cause, he said, was lobbying governments around the world, particularly Australia, not to wage wars on Muslim soil.

  "He was so blinded by that objective that it would seem he had lost sight of objectivity and rationality and acted in extreme ways," he said, describing his former client as "intensely conflicted and contradicted and inconsistent."

  While older footage of Monis preaching shows him dressed in typical Shiite cleric's attire, in his social media posts, he appears to embrace a radical Sunni extremist theology.

  He used the Internet to spread extremist beliefs, garnering nearly 13,000 likes on his Facebook page.
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  AlphaMan

  This is not someone who was protesting anyone elses treatment. He was the self-centered monster in all of this. He just didn't like the government telling his that his actions weren't allowed.

  Amazing that he was an Immigrant, and despite all these past crimes and legal issues....not only was he not deported, but he evidently was allowed to roam freely and to carry out this deadly attack.
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  skeeter1

  13,000 likes? I only get a maximum of 8 likes for a picture of a puppy!
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  sammielee24

  Amazing that he was an Immigrant

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  He was a refugee - that is different than an immigrant. Ironically, he sought asylum in Australia and was granted safe haven because he convinced them he would be persecuted if returned to his own country - then in turn, he turned on the country who housed him by choosing to persecute the citizens there. The thought of his own death scared him so much in his native country that he left behind his wife and children forever and by choice - then summarily decided to kill others not caring that they left behind families they never wanted to abandon.
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  barry

  'more information has just come out about the events that ended the seige in Martin Place.

  It is reported the gunman Man Haron Monis when he beleived he was losing control of the situation aimed his sawn off shotgun at the head of Tori Johnson at point blank range and pulled the trigger.

  The reaction of the police was commenced when a police sniper announced 'window two hostage down".
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  DJS

  Thanks barry.

  This idiot had a long history of violent, terroristic type behavior. He had been and still was within the Aussie judicial system as a usual suspect for various serious crimes. And yet he wasn't on their terror watch list? And they waited 17 hours or so and took no proactive steps. He gets to kill two hostages before they have enough fukkking sense or guts to go in and get him or shoot him through the glass?

  I rarely crirticize response measures until all of the details are in, but the Aussies are looking like the keystone cops in this one. Why give these guys intel, high tech weapons and training if they don't/can't/won't use them? Perhaps at the end of the day we will find out the delay was political in nature; that has happened in the US on many occassions as well.

  They HAD to know this idiot would kill; he already had or was suspected of doing so as well as being fuelled by Islamic fervor. Some decision makers need to be replaced.