Watchtower 'Experts' on Being Gay? (page 2)

Heaven

Unless these so called 'experts' ARE gay, how can they can give any sort of advice on being gay?.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

The logic of the farticle is flawed. If you accept a couple of their "facts" as valid, it doesn't lead to the conclusions they present.

"Fact: In many cases, same-sex attraction is nothing more than a passing phase."

Fact: "Many", "same-sex attraction", and "passing phase" are all vague. How many is "many"? Does "passing phase" mean 1 hour? 60 years? Somewhere in between? Isn't opposite-sex attraction also a "passing phase"? Sometimes I can be extremely attracted to the opposite sex, but after a "big finish", I find that my attraction to the opposite-sex fades, and I'm more interested in doing other things, even watch men play sports in tight uniforms (gasp)? Does that mean that if I'm not wanting to bone a woman all the time... I'm gay?

"The fact is, millions of heterosexuals who wish to conform to the Bible’s standards employ self-control despite any temptations they might face."

The fact is, for decades I conformed to WT standards and resisted all sexual temptations (okay, except for masturbation and sometimes porn). What a truly miserable life that was. But then I joined the billions who cast off the shackles of religious oppression, guilt, and sexual dysfunction. Once I found my "new normal," I seem to think about sex less than I did as a JW. Oh the terrible memories of being a horned-up JW with no acceptable outlet except to go through the ackward JW courtship procedure, finally get married, and then find myself frustrated with a frigid pioneer.

"...if they truly want to please God."

The fact is, WT's God is never pleased. Fact: If a homosexual lives a sexless life, they will then need to "do more for Jehovah" in order to "truly please God." More is always demanded. The only formula for pleasing him, I found, was that I had to be unhappy, unfullfilled, slaving away at WT worthless works, but with a fake smile painted on the outside. What a terrible God that WT Corporation has designed, he's always angry and demanding. You're supposed to pray to him, but I found it a complete waste of time. And he didn't make just humans with sexual overdrive that has to be self-controlled, even the angels were made with a sexual desire for women. What? The angels didn't even want to have sex with each other, they ("many" of them) were made with a fetish for females of the human species. What kind of God creates, then condemns these things?

Fact: That article raises more questions than it answers.

Vidiot

jw07 - "Repressing sexual desires, gay or straight, only creates more problems."

Like sexual deviancy (manifested in child abuse), for one?

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Vidiot: "Like sexual deviancy (manifested in child abuse), for one?"

That might be an extreme. But the more common problems I saw included people getting married too young or too soon after not knowing the other person well. Two horny JWs rushing to a KH wedding isn't a recipe for a successful marriage. Or one horny JW marrying someone they think is sexy, but doesn't really like sex after they get married is a problem. Or telling a gay JW to repress that desire and marry a dub of the opposite sex for a "proper" sexual outlet leads to a lot of unhappiness and problems when the "same-sex attraction" isn't just a "passing phase".

Or either a gay or straight JW living a sexless life because that would "make Jehovah happy," just leads to a lot of frustration. Nothing like walking around a Discrap Crapvention trying to hide a boner. Yeah, just try to pay attention to a boring talk about "brothers needing to reach out" when that thing in your pants is trying to reach out to that sister in the tight little dress a couple rows away. Yeah, I'd call that a problem.

sparky1

Billy brings up an interesting point. Since Angels were created sexless where did their desire for sexual relations come from? Even more confusing is why did they materialize as men only and have only heterosexual relations? Why didn't some of them become gay and have relations with men? Why not materialize as a woman and have lesbian sexual relationships? Why not materialize as a woman and have heterosexual relations with a man? A rather narrow fable that does not take into consideration the whole range of human sexual relationships.

sowhatnow

who knows jesus might have been gay, the diciple he loved lay on his chest, he never mentioned a wife or children.

hmmm, a man laying on another mans chest. why mention that??

Trapped in JW land

The WT is an expert at being a huge bigot, I'd say.

rebel8

The Bible...simply directs those with homosexual urges to do the same thing that is required of those with an opposite-sex attraction

That is a bold-faced lie. The bible says heteros can get married and do it as much as they want; it says homosexuals can never be together and be pleasing to god. So let's recap:

A-ok

Hetero sex after marriage
God impregnating a human female
Cain marrying his sister and creating an entire race of people
Abraham and Amnon marrying their half-sisters
Lot's daughters getting him drunk and raping him
Moses' father marrying his aunt
Noah's grandkids marrying each other
Jesus cuddling with men

Not ok: any sort of physical contact or marriage between women or between men

Vidiot

Billy the Ex-Bethelite - "That might be an extreme."

Doesn't mean it isn't a valid suggestion.

I've read of plenty of cases wherein the suppression of one's sexuality (either self-imposed or otherwise) has led to some seriously weird-ass inclinations.

x

@ rebel8: It's funny; we all knew about these things individually, but seeing them all together in list form sure brings the Bible's WTFness to the fore...

Heaven

Vidiot said: ... the Bible's WTFness ...

Definitely liking this term!

Watchtower 'Experts' on Being Gay?

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