SimonSays your use of colored boxes and tiny script makes it difficult to read your opinions even if I magnify them. Apart from drawing attention to yourself it allows some of us to simply by-pass your opinions......which in turn allows me to save a lot of time.......... Keep up the good work!
Damned if they do, Damned if they don't
by FusionTheism 88 Replies latest jw friends
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Giordano
There you go....that looks great............. we just had a teachable moment
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konceptual99
Fusion - I have some sympathy for the thought behind your post. Whatever the faults of the WTS there is little to be gained from throwing logical fallacies back at someone trying to argue for the WTS.
Having said that, a objective analysis of what exactly the WTS changes and how they change it shows time after time after time that they apologise for very little, make zero mention of how 180 degree turns in doctrine makes a mockery of their assertion that they have the "truth" and expect the flock to simply follow without comment.
On top of this, they refuse to address glaring holes in eschatology such as the 607 date, the generation teaching, glaring inconsistencies in the blood doctrine and child protection issues. Not only is dissent managed by demonising and excluding perpetrators but even honest hearted questioning and discussion is prevented through thinly veiled social manipulation.
The fact is that there is always a hidden agenda to any action the WTS undertakes. They don't wake up one day and go "oh we were morons about this" and change it, every action is carefully planned and thought out. They lay the groundwork for changes months, even years in advance. Even the GB approval process requires ALL to be in agreement.
If you think the change to the types/anti-types understanding is simply them thinking they went to far in the past then think again. They are making things less specific because firstly it means they can be held less accountable when things don't add up and also, I believe, to make future arguments that other scriptures are to be taken less literally more palatable. I think they have a long term plan to reduce the specific nature of certain prophesies such as the generation teaching and the only way of doing this is getting rid of loads of cases where the hubris of Freddy F and his minions got the better of them.
So, when you are faced with a torrent of "apostates" biting back at you over things like your OP then just bear in mind many on this board have seen the two faced and self-serving nature of the GB and WTS at first hand over and over again. The WTS is far less genuine and honest heartedly misguided than you would like to think.
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konceptual99
Oh and PLEASE read Terry's latest thread. It's brilliant.
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opusdei1972
THE SOCIETY DOES NOT CHANGE IN A POSITIVE WAY. BECAUSE WHEN IT CHANGES SOMETHING THE GOVERNING BODY (GB) GIVES NO APOLOGY FOR THE DAMAGE CAUSED BY ITS ERROR. INSTEAD, THE GB DEMANDS FULL OBEDIENCE BY CLAIMING THE LIE THAT THEY ARE CHOSEN BY GOD. -
opusdei1972
HAS THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY APOLOGIZED FOR TELLING THE BIG LIE THAT RUTHERFORD AND HIS FRIENDS WERE CHOSEN AS THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE IN 1919 ???????....INSTEAD THE GB INSISTS IN THIS LIE. -
opusdei1972
HAS THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY APOLOGIZED FOR THE MANY DEATHS CAUSED BY ITS POLICY AGAINST THE USE OF BLOOD ?......HAS IT GIVEN AN APOLOGY FOR THEY WRONG VIEW AGAINST ORGAN TRANSPLANTS?..... -
Pete Zahut
Pete Zahut "Unlike the Catholics, they have never come out and formally apologized for the falsehoods and wrongdoings of those who went before them or for the ones they taught or committed themselves."
BY RESEARCH, DO YOU MEAN A 2 SECOND GOOGLE SEARCH LIKE THIS ?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_apologies_made_by_Pope_John_Paul_II
If the Governing Body ever ONCE came out publicly and apologized OUTRIGHT for their own errors and wrongdoings past and present, like the Catholic church did, I could forgive them. Instead when they realize a certain doctrine has become ridiculously wrong over time they don't admit that it never was from Jehovah. Instead they drop it altogether or change it to something as equally unprovable and call it "new light" or "new loving new arrangements from Jehovah " or "clarifications of current understandings" "refinements" or "adjustments" . Not once have they ever simply said "We were wrong and we are sorry for the damage , suffering and inconvenience this has cause so many of you." Instead, they ignore the fact that millions of people spend trillions of of volunteer hours spreading their wrong teachings all across the planet. It's all about damage control rather than sorrow for what they've done. Then they skirt around the subject and continue on as before, finding new ways to manipulate people with half truths and calculated omissions of information.
These men have a form of godly devotion but are proving false to it's power.
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Oubliette
FT, Read what Irish Catholic Archbishop, Diarmuid Martin, the archbishop of Dublin recently said in response to Ireland's legalizing of same-sex marriage by popular vote:
“We [the church] have to stop and have a reality check, not move into denial of the realities."
The leaders of the WTBTS have NEVER said anything remotely as honest or enlightened.
