by Satanus 25 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Three corporations and the governing body?
What I would like to know, who holds the purse strings and who signs the cheques?
Does the legal dept. pay its own way by getting court costs from court cases?
Is the pot split three ways?
Anyone know?
Questions concerned people want to know.
Belbab
RR
Many have and are doing just that. I think several factors, either by themselves or together could result in a separate liberal wt group.
1. A large number of individuals with a leader at their center.
2. Some co's or do's who disagree w wt policies could come together and take some kind of legal or popular action. This could draw r&f who have similar or other grievances.
3. One, or a few of the corps in ny, pensylvania, or scattered across the US could gather a power base and claim independence, or be forced out.
Some of these ideas aren't new. After rutherfords siezure of power, many abandoned him and stayed w russelism, as you know. Russel, even though dead was their centre.
A group calling itself jahchristians claims to be part of what it calls the free christian movement is claiming inspiration from ray franz' books.
The reason for them to form their own group and not join other churches is because of the experiences they have in common, even as we on this board do.
Another possibility is that the whole wt society goes christian, as did garner ted armstrong's world wide church of god.
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SS
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I'm getting a headache. JK.
I hope this thread continues... some posters here may be making prophesies. Who knows... it looks rather complicated.
GB/WT have eunough legal experience to guarantee that the wt overall corporate structure will not allow too much legal freedom for anykindof "splitting".
Can any USA state become an independent country now?
it may be possible but, imo, not probable.
I agree with one.
The WT has enough experience with small groups trying to split off that I'm sure they've got legal back doors prepared in case anyone gets any fancy ideas.
Just my gut feeling
Hmmm
And one can't help but wonder, post-Dateline, whether the more progressive elements in Brooklyn/Patterson are recriminating the old, calcified hardliners with ``I told you so'' and ``are you satisfied now?'' as they lick their collective wounds.
The corporations and their D&Os (whether GB or non-anointed as current) are controlled by the "members", whose loyalty to the GB has always been assured.
Any rebellion by a corp BOD would be short lived until they would be ousted by the "GB controlled members", and any effects would be constrained by the way that different corps manage overlapping assets and functions
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I agree 110%
The likely hood of the men who are on these new corportation splitting is NONE in my view.
all one has to do is look at this list:
Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania (Incorporated 1884)
President Don A. Adams
Vice Presidents Robert W. Wallen, William F. Malenfant
Secretary/Treasurer Richard E. Abrahamson
Directors Danny L. Bland, Philip D. Wilcox, John N. Wischuk
Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. (Incorporated 1909)
President Max H. Larson
Vice Presidents George M. Couch, Lonnie R. Schilling
Secretary/Treasurer Gerald F. Simonis
Directors Gerald D. Grizzle, David G. Sinclair, Robert M. Pevy
Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses (Incorporated 2000)
President William L. Van De Wall
Vice Presidents Charles I. Woody, Leon Weaver, Jr.
Secretary/Treasurer William H. Nonkes
Directors Harold K. Jackson, Merton V. Campbell, Stanley F. Weigel
Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses (Incorporated 2000)
President Patrick J. LaFranca
Vice Presidents Peter D. Molchan, Ralph E. Walls
Secretary/Treasurer Joseph D. Mercante
Directors Marvin G. Smalley, Kenneth J. Pulcifer, Eugene D. Rosam, Jr.
Kingdom Support Services, Inc. (Incorporated 2000)
President Harold L. Corkern
Vice Presidents Alan D. Janzen, Robert L. Butler
Secretary/Treasurer Alexander W. Reinmueller
Directors James F. Mantz, Jr., Thomas Kalimeris, Alan G. Browning
Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New Jersey, Inc. (Incorporated 1955)
President Charles V. Molohan
Vice Presidents James L. Bauer, J. Richard Brown
Secretary/Treasurer Alan K. Flowers
Directors Allen E. Shuster, David L. Walker, Vernon C. Wisegarver
Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Florida, Inc. (Incorporated 1986)
President Leonard R. Pearson
Vice Presidents Alejandro G. Rodriguez, Maurice C. Turcot
Secretary/Treasurer Mark L. Questell
Directors Jim Moody, Sr., Anselm J. Packnett, Donald R. Krebs
Valley Farms Corporation (Incorporated 1987)
President Charles J. Rice
Vice Presidents Kent E. Fischer, Robert L. Rains
Secretary/Treasurer Albert L. Harrell
Directors John R. Strandberg, Samuel D. Buck, Louis A. Travis
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I dare anyone on this Board to name just one guy on the list above who has not Proven himself to be a dyed in the wool SOCIETY MAN TO THE BONE.
EVEYONE Seems to forget that in order for anyone to make a move he must convince another man on the corp to join with him- these guys are loyal to the org
they would view it as a priviledge to turn in another corp member as being disloyal if they were approached about splitting off to form their own thing
they only serve at the GOOD PLEASURE OF THE GB so while on paper it may appear that they could bolt out of the org and form their own thing in actulaity that is very unlikely
the key thing that the org has done over the years is take away the Personalilty of anyone person in the org
when you call bethel they don't even tell you thier name-
the writers don't sign thier name on the articles they write
so they don't have this massive following of certain bro.
i will say this the closest thing that i saw to a following was that of JR BROWN. in fact that is part of the reason he was pulled off the road
AS BLACK BRO WHO was in the district that JR served in. this guy literally had follower I mean folks would literally go from hall to hall just to see him speak - he was often called by the black bro at bethel "The Society's Louis Farakann"
there were bethelites who would give talks, comments at morning worship, the family wt study and just in thier general conversation and they would TALK JUST LIKE JR slow and methodical.
but for the most part there are too many loyal men sitting in the wings waiting at bethel, and branches around the world, DOs , and so forth who are ready and willing to take the place of any of the men listed above who show any signs of wavering from the org.
this org is no longer a one man show, after the death of freddy franz the org has now moved entirely to a corp way of running
in fact some of the most powerful guys are not even on the list-
guys like Al Harrell who runs the cleaning dept for years= in no way compares to some of the heavies not EVEN listed
THE WT HAS A LONG history of throwing a title at a man and making him feel and think that he is something - knowing full well that he will ALWAYS VOTE IN THE PROPER WAY
how quickly many of you forget the good old days of doing RESOLUTIONS IN THE HALL
almost reminds one of the Russian Parliment..
if anything by spreading out the decision making it makes it harder
anyone who studies the strengths and weaknesses of any org is how it is structured
when you have committees no one wants to be responisble for any bad choices so they are slow and very cautious. yet when it is a one man show like rutheford and knorr and persay
what they said WAS LAW AND NO QUESTIONED IT
BUT NOW ONE COMMITTTE can question and challenge another and the matter goes on hold for 6 months.
for those of who know the men on that list and i know almost 95% of them personally-
these guys in my view would not do anything to risk getting kicked out of the org-
you folks need to understand that when you reach the level that these boys are YOU ARE LIVING THE GOOD LIFE
why rock the boat over so dumb Doctrine-
these guys perhahps avg 30-40 yrs at bethel
they have abosolutely no concept after entering bethel at 19yrs of age and now they are 50-60-70 yrs of age of what the hell you are talking about when you say : "I have bills to pay"
they are treated like royality everywhere they step thier foot.
they get the best of everything- they have not seen the inside of a
Bob's Big Boy, Shoney's, etc in perhaps 25yrs-
when they go to visit congo or circuit who in the hell do you think says:
"WE ARE TAKING THE BETHEL SPEAKER TO BOB'S BIG BOY"
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so don't hold your breathe waiting for anyone on the list above to break out and do something
- it is for that very reason they are on the list
they have sold thier soul to the organization
the only hope i see is coming from the $$$$$$$$$ end -
lawsuits and bad press,
if the child molestatoin issue was not on tv last week they would not have sent any letter out to the congo like they did.
if it had no been on tv there would not have been one guy on the list above or any other bethel heavy who would have pushed the issues
of let's send something to the congo to let the rank andfile know we are on top of the issue
it was only after realizing that they would have mud on their face did they do anything
and if you read that letter it was a perfect wt cop-out letter
but then what do you expect
so in my view no splitsville here guys
SS,
Any thing is possible.
I would sure hope they would fight among themselves and split but that's just my wish.
Maybe the GB made some big mistake by making all these different groups, I certainly hope so, these old farts have made some pretty big mistakes recently with the pedophile thing, I hope their on a role and make more really big flubs.
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Only Jehovah's Witnesses have the TRUTH all other religions EVIL and from the Devil.
You must beleive the Watchtower or you're going to die a painful death forever, isn't that really GOOD NEWS?
I agree with Angry and JT. I also know some of those guys on that list and they are lifers. Not one of them would even consider splitting from the GB. Don't forget, this is a mind control cult. You have come out and are no longer under control. But these guys are pure and true believers. They truly believe that God uses the GB to direct the whole thing. They will not go against their God, like Korah. In their mind it is unthinkable that Jehovah is not in control of all these corporations and is using them as a united organization to get his work done.
If there is ever a reform group it will come from outside the Bethel/Corp good-old-boy network. And the likelyhood of that is not very good.
Sean
I honestly believe th reasoning behind these corporations was to keep chaos. It also prevents one chariamtic person to take control as Rutherford did. Too many corporations to try to control. Unless all the corporations elect the SAME individuals as president and give him control. NO, these various corporations will have to cooperate together or fall apart.
Each corporatin has their agenda. PA branch copyrights everything. If teh New York branch splits, then they would have to print their own journal and books, however, one corporation probably owns the presses and will not allow them to do so on THEIR presses, then again, one coprporation most likely owns realestate and will not allow them to stay on the premises.
That being said, if enough individuals and prominent ones get together and put their resources together they can acquire their own property, reorganized and form a charter and start printing their own literature just like the United Church of God and a few others who broke away from the Worldwide Church of God when it went mainstream.
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