Is There Something Sinister At The KH? (page 2)

conflicted

Englishman,

I can't give any insight as to the basis of WTBS teachings, and I would be the last person to defend them. But speaking for the rank & file JW, they are strictly devout and totally christian in their faith. I see the logic of behind your post, and there may be something hinky going on inside the governing body - wouln't really surprise me actually, I just wanted to state for the record to anyone doing research on the JW religion that your average run-of-the-mill witness would have nothing to do with Satanic worship.

Thanks for listening

(no longer) conflicted

Moridin

I agree with TR...I think a lot of the demon experiences were stories started by the watchtower and also things that started in people's heads. We all know how often we were having the whole thing about watching for demonic things and being careful with what we watched, listened to, and dabbled in. It was so driven in that it was always on our minds. Our minds play tricks on us quite often and with demons being on them most of the time as witnesses it would be obvious that any experiences could be figments of our imagination. On the contrary however I do believe that those that have died live in another dimension as spirits. Sometimes these ones have unfinished business or are so angry at being taken away from their bodies so unexpectedly that they tend to stick around and make some people's lives miserable. So in my opinion some of these experiences with spirits and not demons are very true and other times they are figments of our imagination.

Englishman

Joelbear,

The book: "The Mission" is by Patrick Tilley. It`s one of the most stunning books that I have ever read. Amazon have reviews on line, but you will have to deal with their out of print section.

Regards,

Englishman.

RedhorseWoman

I've often had thoughts along these lines myself. It seems that JWs have a disproportionate number of demon experiences. I'm sure that a lot of it is due to hysteria, but quite a bit of it seems to be legitimate.

If it is true that Satan turns himself into an angel of light, what better way to set up an organization than one that is terrified of anything demonic? Most people wouldn't associate with anything that was blatantly Satan worship.

What better way to keep people inside its walls than by manifestations of "activity" that appears to cease only when one is firmly ensconced within the cult? All bases are covered. Those who are "weak" or who stray into areas where thinking might occur leave themselves open to demon attacks. Once they cling tighter to the cult, they are "protected" from attack.

JAVA

Englishman,

What if the JW religion were itself of Satanic origin?

I guess belief in Satan is necessary before one accepts demons. I don't think Satan is real, but is a symbolic figure representing evil. I can't prove that, but Satan believers can't prove the devil is real either. It's one of those faith things.

The origin of the Tower started with Russell taking religion and himself a little too serious, add the money he got from dad's hard work, and The Watchtower is off and running. I don't see that as "Satanic origin," but rather a charismatic person with money starting a sect that feeds into the needs of religious end-times "Truth" seekers.

However, this is an interesting topic, Englishman. If Satan and demons are real or only a figure of speech, it really doesn't matter to demonic believers--Satan and the demons are real! Fear, real or imagined, is still fear with real consequences. Even if demons are only symbolic, the "JW paranoia" topic is intriguing given the fear it produces in followers and the added control it gives the Tower.

I think the fear and control demon of the Tower really started with Rutherford. If there was ever a Satan incarnate, Rutherford fills the hooves nicely.

Edited by - JAVA on 27 February 2001 16:1:42

Englishman

Java,

And he DOES look like W.C.Fields, doesn`t he?

Englishman.

DannyBear

Would you buy a used car (16cyl caddy) from this man?

Let alone one very well worn and underlined Bible?

Here comes da judge!

BearBeware

thinkers wife

First of all, let me say Englishman, very interesting. Gives one food for thought.
I do think some of the Witnesses go way overboard on this subject. I was around for the Smurf thing. Had friends growing up who weren't even allowed to watch Caspar the Ghost. I thought it was ridiculous.
I am of the number who has experienced some paranormal things. Won't go into detail. Suffice it to say, I am a very logical down to earth person, not highly imaginative. And I have a number of strange experience. I like Moridian believe there is a continuation of life. But I don't always believe that is spirits that are in a state of unrest.
Also like Java, I don't believe in Satan and demons anymore. But I do know the things that happened did happen. I haven't come up with a totally logical explanation for the experiences yet. I have come to think that I had the experiences to open my mind. And to not always believe everything the Society teaches as God's truth. It has opened my mind to other possiblities. And they aren't evil one's.
I have a friend who is a white witch, and she is pretty amazing in the things she sees sometimes.
It has been a process of growth for me. And I am still growing and learning and assimulating. I find this subject very interesting. Could there be more intelligent life forms? When we die could all the spirits form a collective conscience? I don't know all the answers, but I think it is worth having an open mind about.
TW

philo

Englishman

I loved the suggestion that 'Jesus plays second fiddle to Paul in Witness teaching'! How illuminating.

You have got me thinking about WT superstitions generally. I have been convinced for years that JWs are peculiarly superstitious (even by their own standards, perhaps). I think they have a very dark, mediaeval mind-set, stressing salvation via one particular orthodoxy, their own. Especially children brought up to view things as either 'from Jehovah' or 'from Satan'; they are bound to be fearful. It's like putting them into a playroom and saying "most of these toys will kill you".

Personally, I lost most of my demons on becoming a JW, although I think this would have happened if I had joined the Young Farmers Club. As I started to gain confidences with brothers and sisters, I was surprised to learn of so many who claimed to have been 'demonised'.

philo

JAVA

Englishman,

And he DOES look like W.C.Fields, doesn`t he?

Well, yes . . . but I really hate besmirching the good name of W.C.Fields with the likes of Rutherford! W.C.Fields made us laugh, but Rutherford had no redeeming value. About the only example Rutherford provided was a bad example. Most didn't think it was possible, but Rutherford gave other Philadelphia lawyers a bad name!

---JAVA, counting time at the Coffee Shop

Is There Something Sinister At The KH?

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