Explain THIS!!

by MrMoe 46 Replies latest jw friends

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    What some of you seem to be missing, is the absolute proof from Mr Moe showing that this experience is supernatural, or at least pyschic. Check this:

    So, basically I dreamed of a pink oddly shaped dolphin that swims in the Amazon in coffee colored water on it's back. I obsessed and obsessed and did websearch after websearch. Then I found out...

    See? It was a dream - so what if there are pink dolphins in coffee colo red water ; it's a dream, it's not supposed to make sense. Yet she KNEW (to the point of describing it as obse ssion) to search the web high and low for the confirming e vi dence!!! Sure enough, it was out there! Spooky

  • MrMoe
    MrMoe

    Target -- Yes, I do understand what you mean.

    Fizzgig

    the mayan temple dream you said you saw another temple that looked similar but didnt actually state whether you believe you were in that exact temple or not. I think all of us have seen temples like that in a magazine or TV show and therefore maybe that is where your dream sprung from. Ok so I am curious to know (forgive me!! I am not a girl :P ) what in your pink dolphin dream would cause you to realize you were menstruating? Do females dream about this often? Or did you mean that YOU were menstruating at the time you had this dream?? Or both? Im sorry if this seems too personal but I really am interestedso please fill me in if you wish.

    No, never dreamed I was menstruating before, until this dream. ALSO, I was menstruating in real life... Now, as far as the temple, yes I saw the city below in every detail (which is an exact match but "newer" to the pictures I saw online... and the green hill the temple was on and the luch trees in the fore ground... everything was so very green... Anyhow, it seems the Temple and city below of my dreams was a dead-ringer to a much newer Temple of Inscriptions.

    SixofNine -- The dream was no ordinary dream, and because of this, I became obsessed. I was actually searching for dream symbolism of a pink dolphin when I discovered they were REAL, down to every detail...

    I could prove my "abilities (tarot readings etc...,)" but I am not here to prove anything. Just wanted to talk about my dreams...

    Kisses,

    Moe

    P.S. I do have yet ONE more dream I have not typed up, but this one I do not understand yet. I DO KNOW it has special meaning... maybe I will post it later today

  • Grout
    Grout

    6of9: There are several possible explanations. First, MrMoe could have picked up a reference to these dolphins and then forgotten it years ago. Second, it could be a coincidence -- most types of animals come in many colors; she could have just gotten lucky. (Consider all the dreams that mean nothing -- we forget about them because they are commonplace.)

    How's this: When you can repeatedly pick up in a dream anything provably unknowable -- say, words or numbers written on a card, in a sealed envelope, managed by a disinterested party -- let me know.

    Edited by - grout on 14 June 2002 9:33:0

  • Fizzgig
    Fizzgig

    hey moe!! I was looking forward to another dream :P :P or did you plan on starting a new thread??

    Fizz

  • SYN
    SYN

    Xander says:

    . In short, why is the pretty basic physics going on in my head enought to make me self-aware when it is not enough to make a computer self-aware.

    The reason I asked if you'd read about the Turing test (I'm glad you know what it is), is that you seem to be confusing the enormously complex human brain with the extremely simple set of microprocessors in your computer!

    One key thing you've gotta remember is that the only way a computer will EVER (if it's even possible) be conscious is by SIMULATING consciousness, not by being conscious itself. This is a bit of a philosophical distinction, but I feel that it's an important one nevertheless. Human brain matter is inordinately complex when compared to the simple logic happening inside any computer in common use today. Another thing you need to keep in mind is that a computer uses the laws of Boolean logic exclusively, whereas the human brain does no such thing. To use a relatively inaccurate analogy, the human brain is analog, whereas the computer is digital.

    An analog representation of a number between 1 and 0 has an infinite series of numbers in between 0 and 1, but a binary representation of the same problem yields exactly two solutions. This is why the human brain is so much more complex. Add to that the fact that a computer has an extremely limited number of total connection points between it's various functional components as compared to the brain, and you will see the point I am trying to make. Computers as we have them today will never, ever be conscious - our technology still needs to make several forward steps before we can even think of trying to create consciousness.

    But, the soup thickens, as my uncle would say. Between every axon in your brain are the nerve fibers. These nerve fibers are coated in myelin (IIRC that's the name for them), a fatty substance that sheaths and protects them.

    Scientists have discovered that the behaviour of this fatty sheath is remarkable, and that there are actually very strange effects in those sheaths that change the way electronic pulses travel between the nerves.

    Oh, and another place where the computer/brain comparison fails is that the brain sends information not only using electronic means, but also by chemical means. So there are actually multiple layers of information in any particular nerve cell travelling back and forth.

    This has been my Saturday night rant

  • Michael3000
    Michael3000

    LAY OFF THE PEYOTE!

  • Xander
    Xander

    @ SYN

    Yes, I follow what you are saying and understand why you stand behind the reasons you cite.

    HOWEVER, the analog/digital+electrical/electrical+chemical differences don't add up to explain sentience.

    I fully understand that computer chips, as they sit today, are not as complicated as the human brain. You'll note I mentioned that, and asked what happens when they are?

    The greater number of possible signal between 0 and 1 analog (theoretically infinite, of course, but in fact limited by the detection threshold of the receiver) and 0 and 1 digital is meaningless if the digital processor can sends 10 trillion times as many signals in that interval as the analog system (for example).

    Unless you are arguing it is the amount of information transferred at once that creates sentience?

    Basically you are arguing it is the complexity alone of the human mind that makes sentience. Which is a troubling position. Because, what with quantum computers only decades away at best, computers are going to rapidly eclipse the human mind in complexity. I don't think that will bring them sentience, however.

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