Why did Satan get to live so long?

by larc 29 Replies latest jw friends

  • thewiz
    thewiz

    I wondered about Satan's longevity myself.

    No doubt the manner in which God created angels is8 different than the way he created humans. I do not believe angels have energy that comes from within. Much like oursleves they must take something in (food, or some other energy creating source) to be sustained; otherwise, they would be immortal, like the 144,000's club.

    Satan and his demons actually require destruction, no doubt from beings stronger than themselves or by ones given the authority to do so.

    I don't believe the angels have free reign to enter God's presence either (to come and go as they please). -I mean what if God is using the throne. I believe there is some kind of protocol.

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    Another question that has perplexed me, is why did God take so long to create us? -I guess the starting point really doesn't matter then does it? -think about it.

  • Incense_and_Peppermints
    Incense_and_Peppermints

    there is no satan. no jehovah. no heaven. no hell. it's all just.... christian mythology. if you were the almighty, you would have dealt with satan swiftly and eliminated him, for damage control. what 'loving father' would make their children walk through fire the way this god does just to prove their love for him? sounds really dysfunctional to me.

    the god of fundamentalists is certainly a vindictive, peevish, insecure, selfish one... tsk-tsk-tsk

  • larc
    larc

    Incense, I think you have a point there. God does seem neurotic - out to prove some point over these many thousands of years. He should see a therapist. It is too bad he didn't create a Mrs. God. She could have settled him down quite a bit, and helped him get over his jealousy and insecurity.

    Brother Wig,

    Those are two interesting questions: (1) do the angels take in nourishment like we do? I guess we will never know. If so, I hope they like pizza as much as I do. and (2) do they get to flit around in God's presence or not? Another thing we will never know. I guess it depends on whether God is an introvert or extravert.

  • gsx1138
    gsx1138

    I always wondered...if God is sooo omnipotent then he knows what is going to happen before it actually happens. If this is the case, why does he throw a tantrum like a 6 year old when someone makes a wrong descision even though he knew that they would in the first place. Besides, Satan always sounded like a people person to me. And after being a JW I don't trust anyone who tells me not to listen to someone else. I like to find out for myself now.

  • Incense_and_Peppermints
    Incense_and_Peppermints
    Incense, I think you have a point there. God does seem neurotic - out to prove some point over these many thousands of years. He should see a therapist. It is too bad he didn't create a Mrs. God. She could have settled him down quite a bit, and helped him get over his jealousy and insecurity.
    gsx1138
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    Re: Why did Satan get to live so long? Jun 13, 2002 20:12

    Satan always sounded like a people person to me.

    mrs. god? now that you mention it, why isn't there a mrs. god at home? hmm... (i love that 'people person' remark. no wonder the world's going to hell in a handbasket)

  • dungbeetle
    dungbeetle

    My theory is this:

    There was God. He had a son, named Michael. Michael then went on to have a whole big bunch of sons, millions of them in fact, and also went on to create human children.

    Now, one of Michael's children, Lucifer, and many of his brothers took issue with Michael his father (and indirectly his grandfather God) and decided since he couldn't take on his father and grandfather, he started playing with the humans and manged to lead them off the favored path. As a result, the first two humans created by Michael then 'died' . Not that death was unfamiliar to the angels, they had been watching animals and plants live and die for who knows how long.

    Now there had been a legal principle involved here, that if Adam and Eve went off the beaten path they would die. They went on to have children, they died too. That was their sentence for disobedience.

    And Lucifer? Death also.

    Michael had sentenced the human pair to death, but he did not kill them. The first passive euthanasia if you will. They died on their own. It is to be assumed that Lucifer someday will do the same. In any case, neither God nor Michael have any desire to kill Lucifer and his brothers, and so they let them live out their natural life span, passive euthanasia again.

    One cannot blame someone for not wanting to directly kill their own child/grandchild. Maybe Lucifer was given a choice, slow death or fast death and the slow way was his choice. In any case, like the humans and animals, Lucifer and his unfaithful brothers age the same way as humans, growing gradually weaker and feebler as the reach the end of their life span.

    My support for this reasoning? The fact that the world is a better place today than ever before. The two world wars that occurred in the world was a last act of dying creatures, expending what was left of their energy to try and take out the world with them when they departed.

    It may also be the reason jesus waited so long before coming to earth. Thousands of years had gone by, and Lucifer's followers all are old and weak and were not able to kill the baby Jesus. A few thousand years previous, the war between the two factions of heavenly siblings to protect/kill the fragile human child might have ripped apart the planet. By waiting untill Lucifer had weakened, whatever fight Satan put up over the baby went unnoticed by all but those in the near vicinity.

    Even a mere 30 years later, Satan could not directly take up issue with Jesus. He had to try and bribe and bully Jesus into diverting from his path, he couyld not begin to muster up enough force to try and 'take' the human.

    The promise of God and his Son Jesus, is that in return for all the damage the rampaging dying Lucifer was doing, humans the offspring of Adam and Eve would be restored everything they had lost, including their lives and teh pristine planet and everything else.

    one has to wonder why God/Michael could not wall earth off from Lucifer and his rampaging dying army. Could not or would not.

    For this I have no answer.

  • Beck_Melbourne
    Beck_Melbourne

    I like the time concept Emperor Francois mentioned.

    I don't think Satan has to exist for evil to exist. I believe there is evil...but I don't believe in a 'satan'. I also believe there is good...but the WT's understanding of Jehovah's perception of good is different to mine.

    If the WT's understanding were correct...all apostates would be evil and all JW's would be good. True? or Myth?

    MYTH!!!!

    Beck

  • teejay
    teejay

    Larc,

    I'm troubled by a couple of the points you made here and what they mean.

    You said that fear is a great motivator.

    You also said that the angels had the advantage of actually looking upon God but decided to go with Satan, anyway.

    Now, I agree with both of these points. What this says to me is that one third of God's sons really didn't really fear him for whatever reason and, based on appearance, Satan was the better choice, at least to a significant number of them.

    I don't know what to think about that.

  • Realist
    Realist

    ok here is the real mystery:

    how is it possible that otherwise normal people can believe this bullshit? an average 6 year old will laugh in your face if you tell him that is a literal story and here you have grown people who adjust their lives after this nonsense? HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE??? don't they have the slightest sense of reality and reasoning???

  • IslandWoman
    IslandWoman

    Larc,

    There is no "satan", the only satan that exists is the one that is found in ourselves!

    Linda

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