Pledge of Allegiance (page 2)

Makena1

Here is a link to a bit of JW-Supreme Court history at the beginning of WWII.

The Gobitis case:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=310&invol=586

Many witness kids were expelled for refusing to pledge and salute the flag, and quite a few witness sponsored schools were set up. My Aunt was a teacher at one.

I was ridiculed verbally by some classmates in the 60's for not saying the pledge of allegiance, branded a communist etc. As time passed, and these same kids got to know me better, they backed off and became friends. They discovered I was not the cracked pot they originally thought I was.

I have no trouble with saying the pledge of allegiance, national anthem (sang along for the first time at a recent ball game) - however, if it's OK at this time for people to exercise their freedom of speech and burn the flag, what's up with refraining from saying the pledge for conscience reasons? What's next, bible reading and public prayer over the intercom in the morning? NO THANKS!

my 2 cents

Mak

Edited by - Makena1 on 14 June 2002 19:57:7

DanielHaase

*Card-carrying member of the ACLU*- So that should sum up how I feel about this subject...But hey, this is a bit off the subject..but today is the day that in 1956 "under God" was added to the pledge....

Undecided

When I was in school in the 40s they said the pledge and also had different kids read a few verses of scripture and say the Lords prayer. I was a JW so didn't say the pledge, but I did read a scripture, I remember reading Ps. 83 that included Jehovah's name. I also said the Lords prayer. It didn't seem to hurt anything back then, just normal everyday stuff.

Ken P.

buffalosrfree

All in the Kingdum halls say. I pledge allegence to the borg of the united watch tower bible tract society. And to the governing body under which it stands. One JDub below them. With no liberty and no justice for all. Ahhh Shit. It does have its points you must agree. They pledge the love and allegiance to the borg, Now Who said they dont do the pledge of allegence?????

Kenneson

I attended my first Flag Day Ceremony today at the Elks Lodge. I didn't realize how patriotic they are. I was invited to the function by the mother of two daughters who are Girls Scouts. The girls participated by carrying the American flag into the assembly area. Actually 7 flags were brought in and a history of each one was given. The Elks are the only civic group that I know which has an annual Flag Day Ceremony. The event proved to be very interesting.

DakotaRed

I don't have any problems with any nation teaching their young their heritage and reciting some pledge. But, to force anyone is wrong. When I was growing up, every morning was started by reciting the pledge of allegiance and the Lord's Prayer. It was just something we did, I don't know if it was required by law or not. But, neither has caused me any lasting harm.

We all should proud of what nation we come from and honor our own heritage as well as honor others. After all, that difference is what makes the world interesting.

As far as I'm concerned, allow it, but don't require it.

Pork Chop

This proposed law already makes an exception for students that choose not to recite the Pledge because of religious reasons. There's still a debate about whether or not teachers would be required to recite the Pledge or havre a similar exemption.

joannadandy

Good old Govy Ventura shot the same deal down in Minnesota.

I dunno, it can't pass and frankly I wouldn't it to. I left the borg because I didn't want blind obedience forced on me, the same goes for my governement as it does for my religion.

As for Hovie Jovie schools, technically they could. The could start a charter school, (In Minnesota at least, I know they could) But it would take lots of effort and outside funds. Plus I think they would be more inclined to home school, it's cheaper, plus Charter schools have to follow state policies, and educational procedures. It's too much work to get your charter school going.

Plus we all know how much Hovies hate education anyway-hahaha!

They'd much rather have their kids drop out and await the new system

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