Jesus and Buddha

by Bhagavad 36 Replies latest jw friends

  • Bhagavad
    Bhagavad

    There's a possibility that Jesus went to India and was influenced by Hinduism/Buddhism during the "lost years" between his ages of 12 and 30. See the site http://www.atributetohinduism.com/Hinduisms_influence.htm. Fascinating info to review. If it's worth considering, then we might ask:

    ** Why did the Gospel writers not mention anything about it? Did they not know about it or did they keep it a secret? It seems that they would have heard SOMETHING about it.

    ** Could Jesus' foster father Joseph have accompanied him to India and died before they could return to Nazareth? Whose idea might it have been to go to India anyway? It always bothered me that there is no more mention of Joseph after Jesus was 12 years old. It's as if he had been disfellowshipped.

    ** If Jesus' life and teachings were a reflection of or influenced by Hindu and Buddhist concepts, then the Great Apostasy may have been, instead of just lots of "bad men" subverting the Christian congregation, a result of a continuing quest to find out or define who Jesus really was. Scriptural and historical fundamentalism may just not have been satisfying to inquiring minds then as now.

    ** So the 3 Magi may not have been as evil or as duped as Watchtowerism insists, but could have been a part of the whole Hindu-Buddhist-Middle East religious and cultural continuum (not yet cut in two by Islam) that was as interested in Jesus as in Buddha and Krishna (read about the historical parallels to see why).

    These are only a few reasoning points that have come to me as I've perused the above web site. There will be many more. It's heartwarming to be able to THINK and REASON again after years of attempting to pursue religion first the Catholic Cathechism way and then the Watchtower Catechism way.

    I hope some of you will like what you find on the web site as I have.

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    There is absolutely ZERO reason to think Jesus traveled to India.

  • willy_think
    willy_think

    Bhagavad,

    I was a Buddhist before I became a Christian. I can't say Jesus met Buddhist monks but I can tell you this, Jesus taught what Buddhists taught. It might be a case of truth being truth, or it may be that Jesus used some Buddhist techniques in his teaching. after all there are only so many ways to teach what is beyond the cage of our language and experience.

    Explaining color to the blind is not impossible only very difficult, it's better to open eyes. In either case there is a finite number of techniques you can use.

    I can't accept assurances that the lord of me the God of me was ignorant of Buddha or anything for that matter. In fact if I thought Jesus was ignorant of anything I wouldn't be a Christian now.

  • Francois
    Francois

    Just a couple of points.

    First, the authors of the so-called New Testament had no idea that their letters to each other and to various congregations were going to be pulled together years later and made into some holy writ for the guidance of Christians for hundreds or thousands of centuries. All this was done, essentially, by the Catholic church.

    There are many opinions expressed by the so-called "bible writers" that really have no business being used for the guidance of anyone. For instance, Paul's blithe dismissal of women. I personally think that the entire Christian movement of the last two thousand years has been crippled by the exclusion of women from the priesthood, and from any meaningful teaching positions in the churches. I think that Paul was raised in a particular sect of the Pharisees that held a lower than usual opinion of women. Thus, the church has suffered from a lack of input from women who, IMHO, are more compassionate as a rule than men, more intuitive (or at least who listen to their intuition more than most men), more ready to negotiate than men, and a host of other desireable characteristics.

    Much blood has been spilled over the centuries by the church that might have not been spilled if women's thoughts, attitudes, viewpoints, and outlook had been included in the overall thinking of the church. We might never have had anyone say, "Lord, protect me from your followers," if women had been more centrally involved.

    And I think that Jesus included women in the teaching and missionary work and that these facts were simply left out of the writings of the apostles wholesale. They were, after all, humans first, and men second, and trained in their attitudes by an ancient culture which subjected and marginalized women third. The apostles obviously did not understand Jesus when he was standing before them. How much less did they understand him after he had been gone from them for fifty years and more when the letters and gospels were written?

    Second, The Way has been known since ancient times before even Abraham - from time immemorial. The Way being a method and manner of acting, reacting, interacting, honoring, respecting and following the leading of the indwelling spirit of God. There is indeed a way of aligning one's self with the vast tapestry of spiritual truth and life that has existed as a consequence of the existance of God himself. Jesus came here, not to pronounce NEW TRUTH, but to better illuminate the path to The Way. He said so himself. He called himself The Way (the truth and the light), as indeed he was the ideal practitioner of it). The Way has always existed. Buddha knew about it, realizing (making real) his understanding of it while sitting under the Bo tree. Lao Tzu knew of it, and wrote about it in his droll, laconic style in the Tao Te Ching, many verses of which contain the same spiritual ideas and ideals of the Sermon on the Mount. Lao Tzu wrote about these ideas and ideals of The Way six hundred years before Christ.

    Did Jesus go to India and there become influenced by Buddha? I don't think so. I don't really pretend to know. I don't think it matters. I think any and all similiarities between the teachings of Jesus and Buddha, Lao Tzu, Chang Tzu, the Hindus, the Sikhs, and even the Sufi Masters is due to the oneness of The Way. It's the same everywhere. It's the same throughout all time, and anywhere in space. It's the same no matter what you name your God. And to me, the highest thing we can know about God is that He is Love. And no matter if you call it The Way, the Ka, Hessed, the Diamond Center, Samhadi, Ahimsa, The Source, The Force or any of a thousand names, it all means the same. Thus Jehovah is Baal is Allah, is Buddha, is Vishnu, is even the fire god Ahura Mazda of the Persians. But the real God that lives and who created everything we call real has no name. We have given names to our concepts of God, and they all fall short of the actual wonder of the great existential absolute who created all, and who is in all.

    So, sure, there is a large similiarity between all these teachings. But on that basis, Jesus could well have been in Japan. I just don't believe it.

    Damn, I didn't start out intending to get up on a soap box like this, or podium. Sorry. Just got carried away there for a minute. But I guess I'm allowed?

    Francois

    Edited by - Francois on 15 June 2002 11:18:49

  • Siddhashunyata
    Siddhashunyata

    The clue to the Buddhist influence in the Bible is in the contradictions of the teachings in the Greek Scriptures. For example , the teaching "..do not be anxious over anything" is in harmony with Buddhist objectives however it is contradicted by the anxiety teachings that ..."the end is near" etc. This contrast results from the Hebrew Messianic influence. In Jehovah's Witnesses this contrast causes enormous anxiety because of the "push " to do the preaching work and meet ,so called, spiritual objectives. The result ,at best, is an anxious Buddhist and at worst an outwardly calm but anxious Jehovah"s Witness. Why does this contradiction exist? Because of how the writings were compiled and edited and because of the teachings that the writings do not contradict themselves and are infallible. Those who follow the Bible in this manner are like people at a restaurant who eat the menu instead of the food.

  • Francois
    Francois

    Very well said. And much more economically than my tirade, I'm afraid.

    F

  • Fredhall
    Fredhall

    Jesus knew about Budda but Budda is not the way of everlasting life. Jesus is the way of life (John 14:6)

  • gsx1138
    gsx1138

    Considering there are huge illogical gaps in Jesus progression it is possible that he went to India. Also consider that the New Testiment was not written until 70-80 years after Jesus died. The chances of solid eyewitness testimony is iffy at best. The Bible does contradict itself many times but I think the parallels between Jesus and Buddha are more coincidence than anything. I do think you'll see the strongest parallels in the book of Thomas. Unfortunately, the church didn't like the idea of not forcing people to come to their buildings for worship so that book was taken out. Personally, if you take out all the Paul infuenced BS that most christians like to trumpet these days Jesus and Buddha were allot alike. They both wanted peace, love, and tried to help people. I consider both to be good role models.

    Francois I know what you're trying to say. However, too many people don't care about knowing the truth/way they just want to be closer to the way/truth than others. This is where the arrogant idea of my religion is the only way to everlasting life. I also agree with you on the Paul influences with regards to women. Christianity has been imbalanced for centuries for being strictly patriarchal. This is slowly changing, for the better, but there is much resistance and this is because of the teachings of Paul not Jesus.

    Edited by - gsx1138 on 15 June 2002 12:12:20

  • Francois
    Francois

    Take off your blinders, Fred. You're looking through the wrong end of the telescope as usual.

    F

  • Fredhall
    Fredhall

    Francois,

    I don't need a telescope to look for Jesus. Morover, Jesus doesn't look like a bald head fat ox who eat donuts all day long too.

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