I'm sad.

by SPAZnik 10 Replies latest jw experiences

  • SPAZnik
    SPAZnik

    My father called the other evening.
    First time since I left over a year ago.

    I know how this man operates.
    I knew he'd call a year after my departure.
    So predictable.

    His call employed his double standard that my mother, (his ex since i wuz 6 or 8),
    shouldn't have contact with me but he as a now Elder can.

    I'd been anticipating the call for a couple weeks now...
    but wasn't expecting it to be him at that moment the phone rang...

    The call wuz brief, but it involves too long a background story to get into right now.
    The short version is this I gave him a few minutes which he used to flexercise what he sees as his Official Right As An Elder, to call me, after not having spoken to me in over a year, and ask a barrage of personal questions as if he is really entitled to any answers from me. The good news is he is really good at nailing that "i'm-a-genuinely-concerned-merciful-elder-wearing-my-non-reactive-game-face-so-answer-all-my-questions-tone" so he wasn't as overreactive or derrogatory toward me as he was the last time we spoke ...except perhaps to virtually insult me if he thinks for a minute that i'm gonna buy into that act (way too much history here).

    Just wanted to share a bit...shaking my head and just trying to digest the whole thing...partly sad (for him),...but mostly relieved that the dreaded call is finally over with. Til next year.

    Anyway, thx for listening.

    SPAZ

  • Prisca
    Prisca

    ((((((((((((((spaznik)))))))))))

    I can imagine that tone of voice. And you say he hasn't called you in all that year?

    Sounds like my Dad, so I completely sympathise.

    Hang in there sis.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Actually, I'm angry with your father, SpazNik, because he is abusing you under the guise of Christian authority. He is totally out of line even by WTS official rules.

    Actually, he doesn't have any more right to contact you than any other family member or friend unless you live in his house and are a minor child. Only the elders on your judicial committee may have limited contact with you in regards to literature at the kingdom hall or if you want to be re-instated (which has to be submitted in writing). Elders may call on you once a year to see if you want to come back. Otherwise, unless you are in business together, he should just back off because he is violating the WTS policy on disfellowshipping.

    Edited by - Blondie on 16 June 2002 8:13:35

  • Nikita
    Nikita

    (((((SPAZnik)))))

    I'm sorry for the sadness you are feeling. It is terrible. Hang in there!

    Nikita

  • myself
    myself

    (((((SPAZ))))))

    I am so sorry about your sadness. I think sometimes the emotional pain is harder to deal with then physical pain. Even though you were expecting the call it still catches you off-gaurd. Does that mean you get a whole year now before you have to go through that again?

  • Windchaser
    Windchaser

    ((((((((((Spaz)))))))))) Please feel happier soon. Yes, it's behind you now, for a year. For what it's worth, I'm shaking my head, too.

    Love,

    Wind

  • Sentinel
    Sentinel

    The sound of a voice, the tone of a voice, can set the heart to racing.

    You have to deal with your father. I had and still have to deal with my mother.

    I wasn't df'd the second time around. I was trying to live a good clean "christian" life. I simply stopped attending regularly, and began living my life. I still had tremendous guilt. Every time I missed a meeting, I knew mom would call the next day to find out why I wasn't there. I would make up stories that I was ill, or that my son was sick. I really hated to lie to her, but I felt trapped.

    She must have eventually thought that I was very, very ill, <grin> because I just stopped going altogether. We only lived about three miles apart, but she wrote me a long letter with very specific questions and directions for me to answer them and send it back. Being the good daughter, I tried to answer them honestly. After that, she totally "disowned" me. Mind you, I had not been df'd. I had committed no sin, other than to begin to think for myself. She treated me like the worse of sinners. You would have thought that I had committed murder. This treatment continued for twelve years! (She is a natural martyr at heart.)

    By the time I got into my second marriage, my husband really wondered what in the heck was wrong with my parents. My dad finally showed up on two different occasions to visit us. (They had since moved a thousand miles away--to start over, and "forget" all the unhappiness their kids had brought to them>) Mom would never come with him. Then, gradually, he took her side, and during that time, I would always write to them, always let them know what was happening with me--but I would get absolutely nothing in return.

    Once I did get a call from dad, but he was only informing me that in case they died, he had already arranged for "everything", and it would not be necessary for me to travel to offer condolence to the remaining spouse, or gather with family in grief. SO GUESS WHAT? I FINALLY SENT THEM MY OWN LETTER. I DISOWNED THEM. I TOLD THEM EXACTLY HOW I FELT, AND THAT IF THEY COULDN'T BE CONCERNED ABOUT ME IN LIFE, THEN THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE SHOWING UP AT MY FUNERAL, SHOULD SOMETHING HAPPEN TO ME.

    I continued to have no contact with them at all for years. Finally, one Father's Day ( Guess that's why I am remembering this now, along with your message above....) my husband had encouraged me to send a card to my father, which I did. As soon as he got it he called me. Suddenly, BOTH of them were going to travel 1,000 miles to come for a visit! I figured something must have changed in the way the society was "dealing" with us heathens.~~smile~~

    Today, my dad is gone. He died in Jan. of 2001, but my mom is still alive and kicking. Still judging us and condeming us. She has some wonderful children, good, honest, hard working, family oriented individuals, but she can't see past the borg. Well, at least she will speak to us and send us a letter now and then. I'm thankful that we have some communication these days.

    Your situation is different, I know. But, when we have to deal with our loved ones who take it upon themselves to treat us so unjustly, and so "unloving" (I don't care how much my mother tells me she loves me. It's a conditional love.) It seems that we so often settle for "crumbs from the table".

    Take care of yourself. Be honest with your own true heart. If you can't be accepted for who you are, they are the ones who are really losing out.

    "The Truth Is Out There"

    Karen/Sentinel

  • Wendy
    Wendy

    Spaz,

    I am so sorry honey. I can hear the tone of voice as well, I have heard it many times. So many here lost their parents, and family. It is a shame that we are deemed evil, when all we ask is for a kind word and heartfelt response from our Stepford parents/family members. Is that too much to ask for?

    wendy

  • SweatPea
    SweatPea

    SPAZnik......I know how you feel. The same thing happen to me last year. It was my brother who said he needed to talk to me. I told him that I did not think he was to discuss that issue with me. He informed me that he is an "ELDER" and he can. After I explained to him that I had no desire to come back, there has been no contact.

    I understand you being sad as I was the same way. I was DF'd 35 years ago and I thought I had come to terms with being shunned. After he and I talked and I must say he did not push the subject, the rejected feeling set in again. I became depressed and isolated myself. I found this forum and it has helped me alot.

    You hang in there.......it gets better!!!

  • not interested
    not interested

    spaz?

    do we have the same dad ? are we brothers? i think i know your dad cuz mine dow\es he same thing always wants to tell me how much im hurting the family cuz....I .... choose not to associate with them its such a farce how they play that guilt trip with a person but as i told him invite me over to dinner tommorrow and ill be there if i invite you where will you be?

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