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Simon

Putting myself in a lawyers shoes, it would seriously make me think twice about taking on any case like this now or in the future if:

a). I am not going to get paid.
b). I am going to get a lot of grief by 'helpful' people all over the world.

What they are willing to do for what payment is entirely up to them and may actually be out of their hands (decided by the law firm for instance) but whatever it is then hasstling them is not going to help.

The way to help is to put your hand in your pocket if you are able to.

Edited by - Simon on 19 June 2002 8:8:10

Mimilly

Simon - This lawyer KNEW this when he accepted the case. Should he win it, the business it will bring him would be large in proportion.

I agree that it may well be the firm he is working for that made the decision. That said, then they should be reminded of the business and prestige this will bring them.

They knew when they accepted this case - therefor to quit now, isn't right. It could also be that someone high up in the firm has been paid off by the WTS.

I'll find a way to help financially Simon. I can sell some things and send the cash. I just can't see someone being expected to pay 72,000.00 in one drop.

Perhaps the thing to push here Simon, is for people to be calm and respectful in their communication with said lawyer and firm.

Mimilly

hawkaw

Respectfully Simon,

I completely disagree with your comments. Hughes owes about 180,000 dollars to this lawyer and there is lots going on with this lawyer and the crown that I absolutely do not like. It is absolutely unthinkable that Lawrence Hughes has to represent himslef at this hearing. Peope like Penton, Stafford, Muramoto etc. need to be prepped and I know that hasn't happened.

As for the "leave to appeal" at the supreme court for the first case. A decision has yet to be rendered from the 3 judges who make the decision. I have posted on this just last week and even gave you guys the documentation. The case number is 29174. Oh keep in mind that even though Mr. Calvert told me in writing he would be working for Lawrence, he sent a notice to the supremes on May 31, 2002 indicating that "his client had exhausted his resources".

Enough said.

hawk

Edited by - hawkaw on 19 June 2002 8:27:8

Pathofthorns

Mimilly,

Hawkaw seems to have a good measure of correspondence with "shunned father" and his lawyer. He will likely be checking into this thread sometime soon and perhaps could clarify the legal situation and whether it would be advisible for us to send some respectful emails to the law firm or whether it is advisible to hold off for the moment.

There is little more embarrassing than laying into someone then realizing you didn't have all the facts (even if it is done in a *calm and respectful, yet firm * manner.) And several people doing this can irritate someone to the point that they realize they don't need this kind of grief.

My suggestion would be just to wait until more information arrives so you can properly assess the situation and address the lawyer based on accurate facts and not suppositions. But we are a group of free people now and nothing can stop you from doing as you please.

Path

Pathofthorns

how's that for timing? lol My bad..

Path

Simon

I hope you don't think my comments were directed at you specifically mimilly - I only meant people should contribute if they were in a position to and wanted to.

I am having trouble with the notion that someone should keep working after they have wracked up a $180,000 bill. Sure, it would be great if they did and we hope they do but they are under no obligation to do so.

It seems that Mr Calvert is unfairly being portrayed in a bad light when in fact he has helps so far to the tune of $180,000 which is quite likely to be more then anyone else has. I am assuming that he does not have an inexhaustible supply of funds?

hawkaw

Path,

Don't bother sending letters to Calvert. I tried last week and it didn't help. Also the crown in this court case is not helping either.

Simon, - I'm having trouble that Calvert, who works for Canada's largestlegal firm has the guts to charge 180,000 dollars for a few weeks of work in the past 3 months!!! Think about it!

hawk

garybuss

To do legal battle with the Watch Tower Corporations is like trying to break a casino by playing blackjack at their table following their rules. Just when I win a few hands they bring in a fresh dealer with a full tray of money and continue.

The dealers are like the Watch Tower Corporate attorneys. It is just a job. They are getting paid whether they win or loose. Their egos or life savings or title to their houses are not on the table.

Going to court with the Watch Tower is playing their game by their rules.

I pity the Canada father who's daughter is sick. I know of another case where the Witness parents neglected giving their child medical treatment for leukemia and the court ordered her chemo treatment supported by blood medical treatment.

The whole family are still JW's. It is a certainty that when she turns 18 she will refuse further treatment and will relapse and die prematurely. This is part of the price people pay for being or having been Jehovah's Witnesses.

This is a deadly group and they gloat over the dead bodies of their victims, yet people stay and ignore the warnings. All of it is a shame. I'm so sorry.

gb

The Way I See it http://www.freeminds.org/buss/buss.htm

chasson

Hi Gary,

I have translated in french your story:

http://www.chez.com/tjrecherches/busselman.htm

Bye

Charles

hawkaw

Okay, just got off the phone with Lawrence who is busy but my reason for phoning was trying to tell him that a certain someone wanted to talk to him ASAP.

Please NOTE - THIS IS THE SECOND TRIAL AND THE FIRST TRIAL, which the Crown and Lawrence won, IS AT THE SUPREME COURT ON LEAVE TO APPEAL (meaning the supremes are deciding if they will hear the appeal or not - case number 29174)

Also this second trial deals with the daughter's right to make her own decision and classify her as an adult instead of a minor. She is the party to the case and the other party is Children Services of Albera (the Crown is the lawyer). Lawrence, the father and the WTS of Canada are intervenors in the case. I am not sure if the hospital is in this one or not. The WTS is paying for a lawyer for the daughter (who really is a Bethal lawyer). The second trial started on Monday.

Lawrence told me that there have been motions over the first few days. Everyone was trying to kick everyone else out of the trial. The judge is allowing the WTS and Lawrence to remain. However, one other party, the WTS of the Calgary area, also wanted intervenor status. The judge denied the request except to allow the group to offer legal written briefs to the court. So the WTS of Calgary as well as the WTS of Canada is in the case.

I will NOT discuss who is having what witnesses called except to you that the crown is only calling ONE witness. I know who that witness is but I don't want to go there right at the moment and I urge others not too. The good news is Lawrence is going to be able to present evidence but I will not comment. This will help as long as the right questions are asked.

The problem with all this, though, is these witnesses are not properly prepped so I don't know. I hope this case keeps going until the daughter has her final treatment.

The first witness in the case was on the stand yesterday. The daughter's must go first as she is bringing the petition to the court.

As stated previously I wish Calvert was at this trial.

hawk

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