You Know,
You are apparently a bit confused. I didn't twist anything you said. I took what you said at face value and commented how absurd it was to point to God's solution while stumbling over the problem. ...The Inquisitors were anti-thought. I merely challenged you to think, which obviously sometimes elicts a violent reaction on the part of those so challenged. ...It makes no difference to me whether you explain yourself or not. The way a discussion board like this works is that everyone has the right to challenge others, as well as the right not to defend their thoughts if they choose not to. ... I do reserve the right to point out fallacies in your thinking, should the occasion arise again, just as you can go on about by manner if you want.
What about the "fallacy" and "absurdity" of your beliefs? Here is the "fallacy" in your thinking and the total "absurdity" of it all.
Actually, I don't believe that the Watchtower is God's house either. Bethel is just a word. According to the scriptures the house of God is the congregation of anointed ones.
Good point. So then, are the "anointed" among JWs today, based upon what we are seeing by way of conduct? The truly "anointed", as those of the first century? Let's see.
Below, you will notice I've cited two prophecies that match almost perfectly.
Ezekiel 20:35-38 :: New International Version (NIV)
Ezekiel 20
35 I will bring you into the desert of the nations and there, face to face, I will execute judgment upon you. 36 As I judged your fathers in the desert of the land of Egypt, so I will judge you, declares the Sovereign LORD . 37 I will take note of you as you pass under my rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant. 38 I will purge you of those who revolt and rebel against me. Although I will bring them out of the land where they are living, yet they will not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the LORD . |
Revelation 12:1,6,13,14,15 :: New International Version (NIV)
Revelation 12
1 A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 6 The woman fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.
13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach. 15 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. |
Most can see these two bible accounts match and foretell the future for Israel. A "face-to-face" meeting with God for "judgment". Israel is full of outright "revolters" and "rebels". Apostates in their own right, against God -- a disgusting sight to Him!
And yet you say, the "anointed", the truly "anointed" are among them? What???
It comes as no surprise of course to you, that the "woman" who has the "crown of 12 stars" on her head pictures "Israel" of Bible prophecy, the connection being the "twelve tribes" of the nation. And both Bible accounts show, the "wilderness" will be her next home for a while, because of "sin" on her part. Transgression that she will at that time, finally admit to having been guilty of. Repentance on her part, finally. But it took this trip to the "wilderness" to bring all of this about, didn't it? Her confession of actual "sin" in God's eyes. The confession is found at Micah 7:8, 9 .
From these two prophetic Bible accounts, we who believe in prophecy learn a few undeniable things. For those of us who still see the prophetic scriptures as still, largely yet unfulfilled that is, in its fullest sense, we can glean the following points:
1) All (and not part) of Israel is "chased" off their land to the "wilderness of the peoples." This is clearly God's doing. The entire nation is sent to the "wilderness of the peoples" for "JUDGEMENT" and a "face to face" meeting with God. (Isa. 30:26; Micah 4:6,7; Jeremiah 30:17; 23, 24; Ezekiel 20:35-38)
The "sanctity" of God's Name at stake. Of utmost importance. (Ezekiel 20:44; 36:20-23; also Ezekiel 37:29 see footnote lg prt NWT Ref Bib. where God moves to "sanctify" His Own Name when Israel does not.)
2) All wrongdoers are "purged" from God's People (Israel) WHILE IN WILDERNESS, while estranged from God and under His "face-to-face" judgment of them, in total condemnation. And after the "purging", the wicked among His people (Israel) are NOT allowed to return or "re-enter the land of Israel", as God inspects all things.
3) While in the "wilderness of the peoples", Israel must "pass under God's rod" and accept His new "covenant" arrangement from God. A non-negotiable position. God sees the necessity of Israel being "re-bonded" to Him through a non-negotiable proposed "Covenant" arrangement of His, BEFORE they are allowed to go back to their land. Israel must "rejoin themselves" to God in a "indefinitely lasting covenant that will never be forgotten", as Jeremiah 50:4,5 says.
Now back to your original statement.
Actually, I don't believe that the Watchtower is God's house either. Bethel is just a word. According to the scriptures the house of God is the congregation of anointed ones.
The "congregation of anointed ones"? Are you kidding.
Questions To Ponder about "Anointed" among JWs:
(a) If "Israel" is to receive another "covenant" from God, what in the world happened TO THE FIRST ONE, the "christian" covenant?
(b) How can those who are truly "anointed" be "re-bonded" with God in another "covenant" arrangement? Is such a thing even possible for "anointed" ones based upon the explicit statements made by Paul at Hebrews 6:4-8 and Hebrews 10:26-31 -- "anointed" wrongdoers that have openly "esteemed as ordinary value the blood of the covenant" as anointed footstep followers -- so much so that they NEED another "covenant" arrangement with God? Paul says, this is not "possible" at all. The "anointed" apostle John said the "anointed" simply do not "practice sin" at all because of the "reproductive seed" of the holy spirit within them. They simply don't do it...period. (See 1 John 3:9)
Now, "You Know", when you are ready to face such questions, you will see where you have erred in your estimation of prophetic matters of the future. You will see the "fallacy" and "absurdity" in your own thinking -- the "absurdity" in saying the "anointed" of JWs represent "the congregation" or "household of God". When you come around to that, then you will have to admit the obvious, that these same so-called "anointed" ones you speak of, could not possibly have fallen so low, so low as to be sent to the "wilderness", while having God's "reproductive seed" within them. That simply could not happen.
And yet we see, that is exactly what has happened to the congregation of JWs. To Israel. The Bible shows Israel will by that time, have fallen so much, in such bad spiritual shape, that they need to be "re-bonded" to God in another "covenant" arrangement. So says the prophecy. And then, you expect us to believe that God is going to allow them to go off to heaven to rule with Christ and other faithful followers of the first century, and rule over everybody else??? Totally absurd -- the "fallacy" in your thinking, I think.
bjc
Edited by - bjc2012 on 20 June 2002 21:5:56
