JWs @ My Door !!!

by Francois 27 Replies latest jw friends

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  AjaxMan

  The Jw's are not the enemy so you have to use tactics that will get through to their closed minds, not an easy task at all.

  That's like saying "Don't hate the player, Hate the game". Sorry, but I don't buy that crap because the player is the one who keeps perpetuating the game. Therefore, the dubs keep on perpetuating their closed-minded attitudes to other views while expecting non-jws to have an open attitude to theirs.

  It's give and take, buddy. I will look at their point of view and open up to them if they are really gonna open up and look at my point of views. Will that happen? Nope.

  I guess you have heard the term "Wolves in Sheeps' Clothing". Well that pretty much sums them up.

  My 2 cents and my apologies for being blunt.
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  Beck_Melbourne

  I wish they would call on me. I haven't really prepared my 'presentation' yet...so I should really gather with a group of exjw and discuss stategies..sort of like the ministry school LOL.

  Now that I WANT them to call, they don't call. I probably wouldn't try and entice them into having a bible study with me because that would be time consuming, but I would like shine some 'new light' in their direction. I anticipate that they would respond much the same way no matter what you said or how you said it Francois. The are pre-programmed and we are not deprogrammers.

  Beck *whispering to jjrizo to edit his 'your' to read 'you're' on this thread*

  Edited by - Beck_Melbourne on 5 July 2002 1:12:19
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  COMF

  I guess you have heard the term "Wolves in Sheeps' Clothing". Well that pretty much sums them up.
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  Pathofthorns

  I am less inclined to waste my time discussing things with JWs anymore. Even time spent here could be better used. Lots of times I think the result would be the same if we just abandoned them to rot and if they are really seeking "the truth", then somehow they will find it on their own.

  I enjoyed your post Fancois as well as the realization you came to. It is just not worth the headache sometimes.

  I think JWs skip over my house these days, but if they called I probably would just say something cryptic to them that hopefully years from now they will understand what I was trying to tell them.

  Path
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  Francois

  Some very good points on this thread. I think it bears more consideration. What DO we do when they call? What SHOULD our reaction be? I don't know. But I do know that a standard reaction is likely not possible because our experiences are so different.

  Some people here are very angry, bitter, and hurt at the tactics used in their case, or in the case of a loved one. So it makes sense that we each have to react in our own way. I mean really, each one of us left the Borg because we wanted to "step to the drummer we hear," instead of being forced into stepping to the drummer someone else hears...if they hear one at all. I suspect they think they are the drummer. Well, fuck 'em. Or don't.

  I've argued with them before. Actually, "argued" is not the right word. I brought up the Malawi thing and pointed out that in order to go over there and visit what their policies had wrought, the GB had to get a passport and therefore had to swear allegiance to the U.S. government. They showed back up a week later with an elder and a passport application and attempted to get me to agree that the passport application which contains an obvious loyalty oath didn't really contain the oath. That is, I was to ignore the findings of my own mind and common sense, abandon it to the opinion of the elder which, of course, was exculaptory. I wasn't buying it and proceded to eat the elder for lunch.

  And what did I accomplish? Nothing, really. Vented a little spleen. Embarrassed the elder in front of two of his automatons. Wasted an hour. Was it worth it for the fleeting and grim "win" over the elder? Not really.

  Like I said before, it was very like drawing a gun on an unarmed man.

  Francois
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  AjaxMan

  Jim:

  Afraid of them, No. Angry at them, yes. I will welcome any argument they want. Believe me, I am secure in my beliefs and also, I've been there and done that in trying to reason with them. However in reality, it is them who is scared as to them everything that is not JW or from the WTS is evil. You're familiar with that M.O., aren't you, Jim?

  Also, as you also know: you cannot talk to anybody who is not willing to listen and understand. Therefore, if you try to show them where the WTS is not correct, they will ignore it.

  If you confront them with the real issues (such as Dateline, pedophiles), they either deny or evade.

  Now, who is scared of whom???? Certainly not me, the one bringing the issue. Since they know that I bring the issue to them, they'll avoid me.

  You and your brother were kicked out because you confronted them with the issues at stake. Believe me, it is them who are the ones who are afraid as they kicked you out.

  For me, they want to argue with me. OK, LET'S ROCK!

  Ajax

  Edited by - AjaxMan on 5 July 2002 9:45:11
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  Liberated

  Do they at some point ask you if you were ever a jw or been to a meeting, etc?

  I feel I would have to answer truthfully and then the conversation would be over anyway.

  Libby
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  revdrjohnson

  Libby:

  I feel I would have to answer truthfully and then the conversation would be over anyway.

  That's what I used to think ... !

  Until the day that I confronted a particularly argumentative one who engaged me for more than an hour 

  -- trying all the while mostly to show that my real problem was my own stubborn attitude, and that if I 

  had a more repentant spirit I would come running back.

  Ran into this one at the post office about two miles from my house. I live exactly a block from the 

  near
  		est 
  		KH -- which serves THREE cong.s -- and in four years they have only showed up at my door 

  once, on a morining when I only had time to look down from the upstairs window and shoo them away. Haven't seen them, since ...

  Maybe it was the six crosses, the Virgin Mary statues and the rosary bead collections adorning my lawn -- coupled with the fact that I had on my Roman Collar, when I looked out the window ; ????????

  Edited by - revdrjohnson on 5 July 2002 10:57:39