McKinney Texas pool party?

by Marvin Shilmer 305 Replies latest social current

_Morpheus

Its telling that nobody who is attacking the police want to revisit baltimore. That situation has gone to hell in a handbasket. Good job to all who interfered there!
Marvin Shilmer

By the way do you and Martin also consider the young 14 year old a THUG/CRIMINAL/ASSHOLE?

Oh. Great. Another assertion in need of proof.

And, in case you're interested in my view, anyone who is an asshole and breaks the law should expect to be treated badly by police as a law breaking asshole.
Crazyguy

We need to stop attacking one another on this thread, we all have a right to our opinions.
Simon

There would be no marches or speeches because there is not a HISTORY in this country of white police officers brutalizing white people but there is one of it happening to black people.
Yes, HISTORY - meaning "in the past". Some people seem to want to still live in the past and judge everything by the standards of 60 years ago.
There are actually plenty of examples where you see cops being rough with white morons and yes, they are thug / scum / assholes too, why would calling them what they are be an issue? Your problem is you take calling someone who is a moronic twit a moronic twit as being about their color. It's not, it's about them being a moronic twit!
If the race roles were reversed and there was a 200 lb. black cop with both his knees in the back of "lil Becky Sue" you guys would be screaming bloody murder for his arrest and crooning incessantly about how unprofessional his actions were.
If it was unprofessional and unprovoked, yes. If it was a mob of moronic twits that he was dealing with then I would applaud him tacking that particular twit.
The officer is human and needs a leave to regroup and get it back together. His chief threw him under the bus and many locals feel that way too. If we keep getting rid of the police for a mistake, there won't be any left. Who would want a thankless job like that? Of course you can Monday morning quarterback it and talk smack all you want.
That is the real issue. The way things are going then any good intelligent cop will leave and then what happens? If some people have their way it will become a crime to arrest someone or chase after a criminal and heaven forbid if precious little thuggy trips and hurts himself - the cops will be executed. Do we want it to get to the stage where it simply isn't worth the risk to be a cop? I hope not. I think they deserve far more respect than they are getting right now.
I suspect the majority of people in the area who pay their taxes and keep to the laws and aren't the moronic freeloading twits support the police doing what they do.
The problem is some people want perfection and no mistakes. Unlucky - you get to live with the crime that results by setting the line way way back to favour the criminals.
The reason the "harsh" policing exist in many places is because of the terrible levels of crime. It's been brought under control which allows people the luxury of being critical of the police but if you take your foot off the neck of crime then boom, it's back and back big. Just look at Baltimore. It's reverted to how things were 40+ years ago thanks to a few idiotic decisions by people out for their own political careers. Now, is that better or worse for people? It's probably great for the criminal elements but sucks big time for any decent folk trying to do right. Sorry, I'd rather the bias in the system was the other way and I don't care at all if some low-life's get a few punches in the face now and again.
But of course the same people going mental over the police chasing and catching some criminal now go mental over them thinking twice before they put themselves at risk.
Welcome to the world you created. I hope you have a gun - you'll be needing it.
paulmolark

can you explain a few points a little better?
this issue about 60 years ago?
this world I created?
your lack of understanding of u.s life politics and history is glaringly obvious. Aren't you a Grit living in Canada?
you realize that the same issues black people dealt with 60 years ago did not disappear in he 60s merely because a law was passed don't you?
There have been multiple studies hoeing this to be the case. Just like there have been multiple cases demonstrating how there media constantly refers to minorities in disparaging ways that they do not do to Caucasians. Maybe you are not aware because you are not from here and do not live here and your only experience is from TV.
that would be similar to me thinking the bbc news and are you being served give me a full representation of British culture.
also you are not a minority so you have no idea whatsoever what type of treatment they receive so to comment on the responses of people who you do not understand is ridiculous
out4good4

You guys are terminally intent on bolstering your positions by arguing false equivalencies.
No one here, I don't think, is denying that the police have a tough and often thankless job. No one here thinks they are superhuman and incapable of making mistakes. And I am sure that everyone here and in the community of McKinney appreciate the jobs the bulk the police do. 11 of the police called out to the community did their jobs professionally and I suspect, that those are the ones the community is appreciative of. Despite your protestations to the contrary and contrary to the judgement of the leadership of department from which he was employed, one didn't, and now he must pay the price for errors in judgement to grevious to ignore. All of this speculation that caseDolt was thrown under the bus and that the whole community supports his actions is just that, and not an indisputable fact save to those who want to proclaim his heavy handedness a heroic virtue. HE RESIGNED without a shot fired to keep his job!!!! He wasn't fired.......yet.
caseDolt, based upon the judgement of his own brethren, his actions measured against the training and professional standards of the department did not act within the conduct required of the police department that day. And he was called to the carpet for it. I highly doubt that he and police officers making the same collosoll lapses in judgement will be the standard by which the more professional, intelligent, and disciplined officers base their decisions on to be in law enforcement despite your slippery slope assertion.
paulmolark

Poor Tracey Carver-Albritton. Is it true she is also placed on admin leave?
Razziel

Another Facebook post from one of the neighbors:
As most of you probably know my city, McKinney, has made national headlines & is a top trending topic. Forgive this long post, but I feel most of my friends would like to know some actual facts involving this. For those of you still blindly trusting the media, let me tell you I have seen it with my own eyes how inaccurate & one sided it all is. I have truly lost all respect for the media & these so called "journalists" who sensationalized a story with a very one sided, inaccurate report. We moved to Craig Ranch in McKinney almost 5 years ago to get out of Dallas & put our kids in a great public school system. If you will recall McKinney was also recently named #1 best place to live in America. It really IS a great city & part of what makes it so great is our top notch first responders. I have several friends who are on the force, we have crime just like every other city, but what we don't have is a bunch of racist cops "assaulting innocent teenagers", "crashing a pool party" or using "police brutality" as this recent event is being portrayed.
Let me share with you some facts which have conveniently been left out of the narrative going viral.
1. First & foremost, Craig Ranch in NOT an all white neighborhood. It is the most diverse place I have ever lived. The situation & issue was not racial at all. Many black families live in CR along with Asians, Caucasians, Hispanics, Indians & more. The claim that it is some elitist neighborhood with "white privilege" is beyond ridiculous.
2. This was not a little pool party at a residential home & neighbors didn't call the police because they saw too many black faces. That is absurd & absolutely laughable given the demographics of this neighborhood. The pool is a private community pool for residents only. They pay a large HOA fee each year for the benefit of having a private pool. Residents have to use an ID card for access & are allowed up to two guests/ID card. Security is in place to ensure that rules are followed & the area is safe - again, another expense paid for by homeowners.
3. In some news reports I have seen it reported in a way that implies this was a resident having a private pool party at their home. Now while some of the people there were in fact residents, the vast majority were not & they were trespassing in a private community pool. Why were they there? Because the party was being promoted by people on Twitter, including a DJ who sat up in a public place next to the community pool & begin playing very loud explicit music while parents were there trying to enjoy the day with their kids. Tickets were being sold. No one had the right to do that & no one had authorization from the HOA for a party.
4. HOA rules for the pool also include that children must be at least 16 years of age to be there unsupervised. Teenagers were being dropped off by the carload. When the security guard at the pool asked to see ID & refused to let them in, these kids displayed an absolute blatant disregard for rules/authority & began jumping over the fence. Once inside their behavior was wild, loud, obnoxious, rude, with no regard for the families & small children there. Small children were knocked down in some of the ruckus. Cursing, sex, drug use & more. It was not good & certainly not what these families want to see when they are at the private pool they pay for with large HOA dues each year. And let's not forget these teens were trespassing. In addition to the above, there was a verbal altercation between one of the party goers & a mom who lives in the neighborhood. By all accounts things were being said on both sides that should not have been, BUT when the mother attempted leave with her children an actual physical fight broke out & the mom was assaulted while her children ran to the car terrified & crying. THAT is when the police were called. The same girl & others threw items including water bottles at the mom's vehicle as she was driving away.
5. This is not the first time these types of parties have taken place in local cities - the people posting about them on Twitter actually brag about taking over the neighborhood's pools. Craig Ranch is great neighborhood who takes care of their own & pulls together whether someone is sick, needs help jump starting their car, loses their home in a fire or just help fixing something around the house. Fund raisers have been held for a critically injured child & anti-bullying rally after a neighborhood teen tragically took his own life. These are for the most part GOOD people. When the Craig Ranch homeowners & security guards see destruction of property, an unsafe environment, rules & laws being broken by what some are estimating as at least 100 non-resident teens who are trespassing & being violent, yes they called the police. Wouldn't you? Let me be clear, the police were not called because there were black kids just hanging out at an innocent little pool party. Black kids are always there, as I said it's a very diverse neighborhood & seeing a black face in not unusual in the least. I can also guarantee that the police would have been called if it had been a crowd of all white teenagers behaving the same way. The difference would be the lack of race card being played.
6. The small portion of video that is circulating on the media outlets is a clip from a 7:20 minute video which also does not clearly portray the entire situation. There was mass chaos & a large crowd all around. When the responding officers got there they were massively unnumbered by a crowd of kids who were violent, refused to comply, began running & displayed a complete lack of respect for authority. What most people, who have been spoon fed garbage by the media, think is that a police officer used excessive force, drew his weapon unnecessarily & was a racist. Let's address racism first, it is a fact that most of the party goers were black. The people who were Tweeting the invites were black, a lot of their followers & people coming to the pool were black. So based upon the law of averages, yes black children are going to be detained. That's not racist, its just a fact, there were more black kids there. These officers were walking blindly into a hostile environment & their job was to protect people & restore order. Its very difficult to establish order when you have dozens of kids running around wildly, shouting, fighting & refusing to obey simple commands. When an officer asks you to leave, you leave. When he tells you to sit down, you sit. Once order has been established they will listen to you & sort things out. It's true, that is what they are trained to do. Just because they ask you to sit does not mean you are being arrested, but order had to be restored first. The police department had to call for additional units & back up assistance from the fire department because it was mass chaos & took at least 30 minutes to get things under control. This video & the brief clip being shown cannot possibly accurately capture the events that unfolded. The girl in the video was running her mouth & refused to leave the scene when directed to do so, several times. She was given every opportunity to comply, she didn't & when she continued ranting the officer went to detain her. At that point she is breaking the law by resisting & the officer did what he had to do. Of course he took her down, she should have left when she had the chance & stopped running her mouth. She wanted to act tough & grown. Guess what? Act grown, get treated grown, she didn't like that much & called for her Momma. If Momma had taught her to respect authority, she would have never been in this situation. With regard to the amount of force, more force was needed because she was fighting him. He followed protocol by putting her down & restraining her with his knee until she calmed down & stopped fighting. Again, none of this would have happened if she had just left.
7. The issue of drawing his gun is being raised. He didn't just openly draw his gun & swing it around threatening "innocent" teens. While attempting to subdue the girl he was rushed by other teens including one who looks to be reaching behind him. The teen probably wasn't but remember this was all happening in real time with a very chaotic environment & the officer had a split second to make a decision. Those kids charging him could have overpowered him, mob mentality could have taken over, someone could have been hurt including those boys, the officer or innocent bystanders who were attempting to help. If I was being charged by two teenage boys in a large unruly crowd, you can bet your sweet a$$ I would have drawn my weapon too. There are two things to remember, 1. his finger was not even on the trigger he handled the gun safely & properly and 2. he reholstered it as soon as possible once the threat of immediate danger was gone. Please remember that these officers were trying to do their jobs without interference. I fully support the MPD & the actions taken on scene. Not for one minute do I think he used excessive force, nor was there police brutality. He did what he had to do in the moment to re-establish order & create a safe environment for everyone. They are there to protect & serve, their lives are put on the line every single day with situations most of us can only imagine.
8. Once things calmed down & got sorted out most of the teens were released to their parents and NOT arrested. Good, right? No, unfortunately most of the parents who showed up were more concerned about how their precious babies were treated vs. what they did wrong that actually led to all of this nonsense. Police are immediately blamed, accused of brutality, the neighborhood & police are accused of being racist. Threats of complaints to the department & making the story "go viral" were made. Guess what? They got their wish, local media decided to show a slanted one sided view & fan the flames on this one - rushing to the news desk without doing their due diligence regarding the actual facts.
9. But the fun doesn't stop there, no, there is more! These kids decided to host another party in the neighborhood the next night at private residence. Again, said party was publicized on social media. Party goers roamed the neighborhood, vandalized it, were beating on people's doors at all hours of the night, stole a vehicle, crashed into parked cars & other petty nonsense. Threats have been made on social media against one of the residents & his family. This man was there & stepped in to assist both the police who were establishing order & the kid who got hurt while running from police. People have also publicized the police officer's name & address with threats against his life. This is not ok!!! Yes, ‪#‎BlackLivesMatter‬ but so do everyone else's including the police officers on scene. The residents of Craig Ranch, regardless of race, should all be able to safely & peacefully enjoy their neighborhood without fear of violence or retaliation. At this point while most everyone in the Craig Ranch Family stands united in a non-racist attitude with support & gratefulness towards the MPD, many of them are afraid to go on camera or even on record to give a statement regarding the actual events. The journalists are taking their intel from minors who were committing crimes.
10. The media frenzy surrounding all of this is ridiculous. At the end of the day an officer who was doing his job has been labeled a racist, received death threats & placed on administrative leave. That is procedure in a case like this & doesn't mean he will be found guilty of any wrong doing, but the court of public opinion has already tried & convicted him without all the facts. Now a man's career could be on the line, his reputation has been tarnished by irresponsible reporting. The media keeps race baiting & fanning the flames of racism. I urge you all to do some research on this & other news stories before blindly accepting the crap the media feeds us for ratings. Information is out there, I will also be adding links & screenshots in the comments below.
Are there cases of excessive force used by officers? Yes, of course there are, it's wrong & should not happen but this was not one of those cases. Does racism exist? Yes, we should not be naive enough to believe it doesn't. Sadly racism is all too real, but it goes both ways - being black (or any other color for that matter) does not entitle you to automatic exemption from obeying the law & following a police officer's commands. Nor does being caucasian mean we all have "white privilege" & hate black people - that stereotype is wrong & just another form of discrimination. It's offensive just like all forms of racism.
Sorry for the super long "book length" post. If you took the time to read it, thank you. There is so much misinformation out there, bits & pieces here & there and a complete lack of integrity by the media/journalists to give the full story. Their soundbites are causing passionate reactions & people are hopping on the racism train without the benefit of having all the facts. The media is playing a shameless role in dividing this nation's people & they need to be held accountable for this. Do not blindly trust everything reported - they are there for ratings not the benefit of the public & certainly not for those they choose to villainize. Do you think they care for one minute that a police officer's career could be over because of their irresponsible reporting? No, he is just collateral damage. And truth be told, they don't care whether those teens were in the right or wrong, it was a story & in a couple of days the news cycle will change and someone else will be thrown into the fire... If you found this post helpful at all, feel free to like or share. Even if it didn't change your opinion, that's ok, everyone is entitled to their own, but before anyone jumps to conclusions more people need to realize how slanted & one sided this "viral" story is.
Bottom line: I know & love McKinney, Texas - Unique by Nature, I know the McKinney Police Department & McKinney Police Association and I fully support the MPD & the officer's actions, and I know Craig Ranch which is full of many wonderful & caring people and friends. The Craig Ranch Family is not a racist one, it is one that will pull together & get thru this and then continue to enjoy living in the #1 best place in America.
_Morpheus

Very nice summary! I hope your town fairs better than baltimore
Simon

your lack of understanding of u.s life politics and history is glaringly obvious. Aren't you a Grit living in Canada?
Ah, the old "you're not from these parts so you can't possibly have a valid opinion" argument. I think I have a pretty good understanding of US history.
The funny thing is most people have the same lack of direct experience of US history too - you can only live in so many places. Maybe you know what California is like but not Chicago, or Florida but not Detroit.
Does someone living in California have some magical knowledge simply because they live within some man-made boundary?
you realize that the same issues black people dealt with 60 years ago did not disappear in he 60s merely because a law was passed don't you?
No, because I don't believe they are the same issues. Some may be similar but there are fundamental differences. The most important accomplishment, the ability to vote, has unfortunately been squandered and votes wasted on poor choices.
There is not the institutionalized racism of 60 years ago but I don't doubt that some believe it's still there and interpret every event with the assumption that it is.
Poor Tracey Carver-Albritton. Is it true she is also placed on admin leave?
I guess only white people can ever do wrong. If only we were black, then we'd be right and it would all be the fault of slavery, whatever the issue.
It's a shame for the decent people of McKinney that their lives are disrupted by a bunch of moronic twits.

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