Just one slight addition to that about the angels/demons that the WTS teaches. After the flood the "wicked" angels could travel to earth but could not take on human form; they had to remain in spirit form. Even the "good" angels could not materialize without God's permission.
ON MARCH 26,1918 SATAN WAS HURLED DOWN TO THE EART
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Kenneson
Can you imagine Jesus' surprise? He thought this had ALREADY taken place. Luke 10:18 "At that he said to them: 'I began to behold Satan already fallen like lightning from heaven.' " Guess the W.T. set him straight.
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heathen
I do believe the bible to say that many spirits followed satan in his rebellion .
Blondie --- That's one I never heard about the good spirits not allowed to take human form without permission . It is apparent that the angels were condemned for leaving their natural habitat when they started breeding with the daughters of men after the noahs ark incident but I can't recall anything about being forbidden to take human form . I thought maybe there was something to the women head coverings detering angelic lust . I can see that further research is needed here.
Kenneson--- I recall scripture that states all the events were foreordained . This may be another example of something that was already seen as happening prior to the founding of the world .
most interesting .
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minimus
Doesn't Revelation talk about one third of the angels in heaven following Satan? The angels can't take human form because they they can't be trusted.,,,, Angels get lustful of earthly women, with or without a head covering.
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Blueblades
Carl Olof Jonsson ,in his book,"The GENTILE TIMES Rconsidered,chronology and Christ's Return.Presents that the War in heaven is not 'LITERAL'and is indicated by the subsequent verses,Rev.12:13--17.The nature of the' WAR IN HEAVEN' is 'FIGURATIVE' and has nothing to do with the year 1914.
A number of events that the WT.Society claims to have taken place in 1914 are actually shown by the Bible to have occurred at Christ's death,resurrection,and exaltation.
There is just too much written evidence too try and put it all here.Get the book,it is an excellant source of information that Carl has painstakingly put together and has yet to be challanged successfully by the WT.Society.
Blueblades
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minimus
You mean Satan never REALLY got kicked out of heaven, after all? Well that just sucks.....Now, who are we gonna blame for everything bad?
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blondie
Heathen, Here is what the WTS has said and other JWs have inferred.
That's one I never heard about the good spirits not allowed to take human form without permission .
The bad spirits/angels/demons became such (according to the WTS) because they left their assignments in heaven and took human form without God's permission.
All the Bible accounts I found about angels materializing after the flood, showed that these angels had been sent to earth for a specific mission by God, with his permission. Can you show me one in the Bible where a faithful angel came to earth without God's permission?
Is This Life All There Is? Book p. 85
At 1 Peter 3:19, 20 the debased spirit creatures are referred to as "spirits in prison, who had once been disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noah’s days, while the ark was being constructed." Thus the Bible makes it plain that after the Flood the "angels that sinned" came under a form of restraint. There is no Biblical indication that they were able to materialize and take up visible activity on earth after the Flood. So it logically follows that the restraint under which they came made it impossible for them to take on flesh again.
Live Forever book
p. 95Since the time of the Flood, God has not permitted these demon angels to take on fleshly bodies, so they cannot directly satisfy their unnatural sexual desires.
Insight Book V2 p.
492 NephilimAngels had the power to materialize in human form, and some angels did so to bring messages from God. (Ge 18:1, 2, 8, 20-22; 19:1-11; Jos 5:13-15) But heaven is the proper abode of spirit persons, and the angels there have positions of service under Jehovah. (Da 7:9, 10) To leave this abode to dwell on earth and to forsake their assigned service to have fleshly relations would be rebellion against God’s laws, and perversion.
2/1/93 WT p. 10
Also, selfishness caused certain angels to act independently, leaving their original position and materializing so as to enjoy sensual pleasures.
So while faithful angels may not be restrained from materializing if they wanted to, would they be faithful angels if they materialized and forsook their position of heaven disobeying God?
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minimus
When you think of how specific the Society can be with dates, including invisible happenings, you have to wonder how they could havwe screwed the 1975 debacle.
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ESTEE
SATAN WAS HURLED DOWN TO THE EART
Hmmmm....you are saying...."A whole lotta hurling going on...?"
Ummm...is that anything like the Elvis song I've got in my head....?
ESTEE
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heathen
Blondie ---- I guess what you are saying which is something the WTBTS never says is that in their opinion angels are forbidden to take on human form unless they have some sort of mission such as the sodom and gamorah incident and that those that don't have permission are considered outlaws whether they have sex relations with women or not .