LETTER READ TONIGHT

by biblexaminer 42 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

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  jst2laws

  expatbrit,

  While I agree much more could be done I'm not sure it is true:

  Quote: "Those in power know full well that this will do nothing to address the pervasive atmosphere of pressurised silence within the organisation."

  If the message is consistently conveyed to immediately call the authorities then the atmosphere within the congregations will change. The present level of 'theocratic' tolerance will fade and the secrecy (confidentiality) shield will be destroyed.

  You are right in pointing out that nothing is said yet about helping victims, backing and supporting those who speak up. The door is still left open to punish those who do what is legal and right.

  You said "this will do nothing to address the pervasive atmosphere of pressurized silence". I agree it does not say enough but I wouldn't say "this will do nothing". It seems to be steps in the right direction although forced by caring "apostates".

  Jst2laws

  Edited by - jst2laws on 10 July 2002 0:7:57
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  hillary_step

  Hi Expat,

  It is not good enough. The WT must take active steps to correct the problem, encouraging victims to seek help and justice from the proper authorities. They must take steps to minimise the risk to potential further victims, such as stopping paedophiles going to unsuspecting householders doors with little or no supervision.

  Agreed, but it is a positive shift in position, indicative that they have started moving. The WTS moves at the pace of a drunken escargot at the the best of times, even under threat, but this is a start. It also send a clear message that 'apostates' have an significant effect on WTS policy and that pressure appiled at the right spot will lead lead to change.

  It matters nothing to me as to the spin that the WTS puts on this, 'simplification', 'new light', 'food at the right time' or whatever, they know, and we know what has led to this agreeably small change in policy. Outside pressure.

  What deeply sickens me, is that now the GB has amended its modus, albeit slightly, the attitude among the gray men in the Branches is, "Yes, these molesters must be bought to book". They have been instructed to to care and subsequently they suddenly care, and care to the hilt. What shallow and feeble cowards they are. Where were they when they were needed?

  Best Expat - HS

  Edited by - hillary_step on 9 July 2002 23:38:21
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  one

  HS,

  On 12/1995 a prominet ex-DO "old timer" and top 'Branch' offical

  Told me: "I have come to the conclusion that nobody knows anything", also implying that nobdoy was in control..

  That was after our conversation about the "generation" to which he also said: "this is just the begining" "new jw dont know" the implications etc. He referred

  He referred to F. Franz as the "chronologist", in no positive manner.

  WHAT ARE THEY WAITING FOR?

  Most of them know better, but find themselves in "dead-end", specially economically, that is why...

  I mean i try put myself in their shoes. Heck pounding the pavement after 40 or so years of service!!!

  It is terrifying, "faith" does not count, not few some become cynical or think "take what you can".

  R. Franz managed, and rightly so, to "apply" his knowledge. Acomplishing a dual purpose...
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  Farkel

  When they will apologize for all their crimes including all the lives of little raped children they've ruined, the relatives of dead victims of their satanic blood policy, the couples whose marriages they trashed with their insane policies on married sexual practices, the relatives of dead victims in Malawi, and for their crime against me and gravedancer and tens of thousands of others for their former stance on alternative military service, I will consider that a start.

  Not until. They are evil.

  Farkel

  Edited by - Farkel on 10 July 2002 0:22:19
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  Pistoff

  hey gang
  I have meeting later in the week, haven't heard the letter yet.
  I will puke when they start the patting on the back; cause then everyone will have forgotten that right now they are saying that those who are screaming about being abused and then silenced are apostates; i have family and friends who are not stupid, but this is what they really think. They think that silentlambs.org is really the abusers banded together to cloud the issue, amazing.
  I am struggling. I am baptized for 31 yrs now, and never have felt more ashamed to be a witness. I don't believe anything they say anymore, i am only there cause friends and family are there, all trapped.
  It started with researching the sex abuse scandal, then i found the UN linkup, unbelievable. And what REALLY corked me was finding out they are censoring old wt's and books, not putting the really incriminating stuff into the CD. How can you make yourself look any more guilty than by hiding?
  Any input on how I can feel better about all of this? I am sadly realizing as I am crashing that my faith was probably misplaced in men rather than to see God working in all areas of life and belief.

  sigh.........

  pistoff
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  jst2laws

  Hello Pistoff,

  I see you are realitively new. Yet your state of mind is obviously shared here by the posters on this thread.

  You said:

  I am crashing that my faith was probably misplaced in men rather than to see God working in all areas of life and belief.

  I am e-mailing you a comment I made to someone else of simular state of mind.

  Jst2laws
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  JT

  the comment was made

  "the pervasive atmosphere of pressurised silence within the organisation. That while they sit back and try to wash their hands of the problem, the magical phrases like "not bringing reproach upon Jehovah" will continue to accomplish the silencing of victims they desire."

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  and this is really the bottom line, we had a DO named JC Howard and his favorite phrase was:

  "well bro the society can't come out and say many things so we have to use discernement and see which way is the society LEANING"

  so while on paper the wt says one thing in real life it is another-

  how many times were we asked by householders "Are you recuiting for new members" and we would say

  O NO WE ARE JUST ENCOURAGING MORE BIBLE READING

  only to have the CO come in the next week and beat the HELL OUT OF US cause we didn't have enough bible studies

  wt has always had 2 rules, i learned this early on :

  1. ONE WRITTEN

  2. ONE UNWRITTEN

  and a good society man or woman would know that
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  JT

  If the message is consistently conveyed to immediately call the authorities then the atmosphere within the congregations will change. The present level of 'theocratic' tolerance will fade and the secrecy (confidentiality) shield will be destroyed.

  You said "this will do nothing to address the pervasive atmosphere of pressurized silence". I agree it does not say enough but I wouldn't say "this will do nothing". It seems to be steps in the right direction although forced by caring "apostates

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  I realize you are hoping for the best, but the fact of the matter is this will do very little,

  consider that the wt is an international organization, this issue is only being addressed in 2 countries per say, - yet the wt rules the lives of folks in some 200 lands

  they like the catholic church are only doing window dressing for countries where legal cases can cost them money in my view- case in point

  recently the POPE missed a golden opportunity to address a WORLD WIDE PROBLEM IN HIS CHURCH, but he like the wt blew it- they showed that thier real motive is not the kids or even helping the guy with the problem but doing a PR move to curb the tide of lawsuits

  To show that the Pope was serious about addressing this issue and putting everyone on the same page, when he called in his "Boys" he only called in the "Boys" from the USA

  it should have been a WORLD WIDE CALL FOR ALL CARDINALS TO COME INTO ROME

  this way at least it would have given the appearance that everyone is on the same page

  instead we got the Boys from the USA drifting up some new wording just for the USA -

  recently reports out of Africa of Priest "Banging" the nuns, making them get abortions and onTV they did a documentary of British kids 4, 5 ,7 ,10 yrs old being sent DOWN UNDER - austrialia as orphans-

  instead they went down there to build the local church with giant masonary stones with thier little hands NO TOOLS - NO CRANS JUS THEIR HANDS----------the priest raped and raped the little kids over and over for years

  SO wt like the catholic church is only doing window dressing instead of addressing THEIR SYSTEM WHICH IS THE PROBLEM

  Whenever a man be an elder or priest is out in charge by a group (GB/POPE) that tells it's members

  god whispers into thier ears and failure to listen will mean your DEATH AND DESTRUCTION

  you already got a system in place that is going to Shaft someone and in this case the kids

  just my 2
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  crawdad2

  hi hillary,...............so ,............. the policy has been in effect for 2 weeks now?

  how many pedophiles have been turned over during that time, since the plolicy change?.......... any at all?.........tell me about the grand effect it's having, and all the pedohpiles that are going to jail!

  or............ is this a five year plan?
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  jst2laws

  JT,

  You made several good points in your post above.

  While I believe the local (United States) changes in procedure are good and the result of 'local' efforts pressing for these changes, you are probably right about the WT motive and the localized and limited affect of these policy changes. Not a change of heart but still an improvement of local policy that will result if fewer victims at least in the US, and that is over one million of the total gang. But then, what if we find out years from now that the problem was many times worse through-out the world?

  As usual your have a broad scope on the issue. I'm glad you are getting some 'degrees' to legitimize the greater insight you consistently display. Glad to see you have not left us entirely here.

  Jst2laws