Last night's bible highlights: David was wrong to greive for his son!

by purrpurr 20 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • purrpurr
    purrpurr

    Last night's bible highlights was really eyebrow raising! The brother pointed out at lenght about how David had wept when his son Absalom was killed. But that because Absalom was killed while opposing Jehovah that means that David was wrong and weak to greive for him.

    It was applied to today by saying that if our children are DF'd when they die then we should not grieve for them either!

    Cue nodding heads all round!

  • FusionTheism
    FusionTheism

    Current new light, as far as I know, is that it's good for Witnesses to privately grieve and to pray for their Disfellowshipped family members as long as they aren't flagrant apostates.

    Also, publications say that Jehovah grieves for Disfellowshipped prodigals and He desires they return to Him.

  • OneEyedJoe
    OneEyedJoe

    You should've raised your hand to give a comment and started reading the scripture about the lack of natural affection in the world being a sign of the end then said "wait, I think I'm on the wrong page..." and just given the mic back.

    Current new light, as far as I know, is that it's good for Witnesses to privately grieve and to pray for their Disfellowshipped family members as long as they aren't flagrant apostates.
    Also, publications say that Jehovah grieves for Disfellowshipped prodigals and He desires they return to Him.

    False. There was a recent WT (think it was November 2014) where they essentially likened DF'd ones to people who were killed by Jehovah in the OT and their families were ordered not to grieve their loss. Of course they don't come right out and say it, but it's heavily implied that DF'd ones should not be missed. This is just another part of the E in BITE (and in some ways the T) - they're trying to control the emotions of their followers to keep their control in place.

  • umbertoecho
    umbertoecho

    I was told by my study conductors that there was a ....."...time to laugh and a time to cry..." so on and so forth. My daughter had been dead less than two years at the time and I was devastated. They also pointed out that my continuing to grieve for her showed a lack of faith in the resurrection promise.

    Wow! I couldn't believe my ears. I asked them if they had ever lost a child and they said no, but we are ......."just reminding you ----- that your' daughter is now unaware of what is going on, she has paid the ultimate price for her imperfection. Therefore, you should be more optimistic about this situation and trust god more. If you don't then it could be that you lack faith in god and the guidance that is given to you through the society".

    It was incredible to hear these nasty people give out such "timely advice" in such a cold and distant manner. At the time I was so vulnerable I chose to stay with the teachings and try to subsume my grief so as not to be overly adoring of my child. For.." There is sometimes a risk that we can show a form of worship in our displays of grief; a grief that Satan will use as a lever to stop you from learning about Jehovah's ways".

    Yes! They were telling me that my grief, if sustained for too long, could provide Satan with the perfect weapon to stop my progress in the truth. I was told to ...more or less...".get over it as soon as possible and get out in the field work and meet others in the truth and all would be okay".

  • FusionTheism
    FusionTheism

    umbertoecho,

    Wow, that's one of the most horrible things I've ever heard. :(

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot
    Jeezus, it's like they actively want their followers to be all f**ked up.
  • Quarterback
    Quarterback
    Grieving is a natural process. Some grieve longer than others. Some do not understand it, because they never experienced a close loved one dying. David grieving for Absalom was natural, and good. I know that this application is not shared
  • nicolaou
    nicolaou
    So sorry for your loss umbertoecho, and for such crass insensitivity.
  • Introvert 2
    Introvert 2
    I once did the Bible reading of that verse back then and used emphasis on my son, my son ! It all seemed perfectly natural at the time, unreal that they now think David was out of line. What I took away from it then was David's forgiveness towards his son despite the revolt.
  • prologos
    prologos
    Grief about the ambitious son, David probably felt Absalom should have not jumped the gun, a trend in the family, David should have killed Uriah first and then married Bathsheba. Absalom's mistake was to be late to the barber. Timing is everything.

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