God loves Gay, Lesbian, and Transgendered People

by FusionTheism 61 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  StrongHaiku

  FusionTheism - I am a little confused as to how I can "offend" atheists by saying I support gay rights and gay marriage???

  Just wanted to comment as this as still shows a bit of confusion of atheism as a world-view. It is possible to be atheist and be against LGBTQ rights. As it so happens, I am an atheist and I am for LGBTQ rights. Atheism is a response to one proposition regarding the belief in a God(s). That's it.

  It is good that we no longer stone people for being gay or children for mouthing off or advocate slavery, etc. But that seems to be a product of working around and past the Bible (and other "holy books") and religions.

  On a side note, it often amazes me that God could set down a large number of rules about everything including not eating shrimp or wearing mixed fabrics, but could not set down clearer and better guidelines about the treatment of children, women, LGBTQ, and about not owning another human being, etc.
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  Jonathan Drake

  Considering your mention of ancient mythologies vs. the Bible is interesting yet not quite the same.
  

  It is the same, they are all fictitious stories. That's the extent of my comparison.

  just like you wouldn't consult Homer for insights of universal truth, you should not consult the bible - they should fall under the same categorization.
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  ShirleyW

  Point blank, the Bible is against homosexuality. as the scriptures quoted in previous posts point out.

  That's why I have a hard time figuring out what is in the mindset of those who are gay who have been ordained in the Methodist, Espocopalian and the other churches when the Bible clearly states its feeling on homosexuality. How do you take a vow to carry on the word of the Lord with those scriptures condemning homosexuality.
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  Jonathan Drake

  Point blank, the Bible is against homosexuality. as the scriptures quoted in previous posts point out.

  That's why I have a hard time figuring out what is in the mindset of those who are gay who have been ordained in the Methodist, Espocopalian and the other churches when the Bible clearly states its feeling on homosexuality. How do you take a vow to carry on the word of the Lord with those scriptures condemning homosexuality.

  Hear, hear.
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  Simon

  The god of the OT and the NT are clearly very different. The fact that one of them claims to never change shows it's a lie.

  Guess what - it's a book by a multitude of authors. Since when would that ever produce a consistent story?!

  There is no problem with people picking ad choosing what to believe because it's all just made up nonsense including the parts that claim to be the inerrant word of god.

  I'd rather people cross out the crap bits than insist they remain faithful to every word in it. If we did that then Christianity would still be acting like other tyrannical religions do.
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  DATA-DOG

  So FT, do you believe that the scrolls we call the bible contain errors? Do you believe that the "New Testament" cancels out the "Old Testament?"

  How do you reconcile the discrepancies, once correctly identified, and how do you know that YOU are correct in YOUR interpretations?

  DD
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  freemindfade

  Glad you feel the way you do about gay and lesion fellow humans. That is good. But the bible does not feel that way I'm afraid. The bible contradicts itself to no end so just about anyone can find any justification for anything in it.

  The bible is like a prisoner, the more you torture it, it's going to tell you what you want to hear. The end. Lott was righteous so someone could justify knocking up their daughters.

  Besides this issues of what people do in their bedrooms is better summed up in the freemindfade bible. It's a little cras but gets the point across.

  FMF 6:9 "what you eat don't make me s%$t and who you f $%k don't make me c%m."
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  cofty

  Both the OT and NT are homophobic.

  All the talk about "context" is smoke and mirrors.

  Your assertion that the OT can be dismissed by christians is ridiculous. The god of the OT is the god and father of Jesus. Apparently he is unchanging.

  The bible is to morality as Ken Ham is to biology.
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  Brother Jeramy

  The Bible says nothing about homosexuality, which is an orientation. Though it does say plenty about homosexual intercourse. If we're to have an honest conversation on the matter, it must start with this critical fact.
  

  There is nothing in Scripture, be it the Hebrew Scriptures or the Greek Scriptures, that condones the insertion of a penis into a male anus in mimicking heterosexual intercourse. Let's please be frank about this. It's a distortion of how humans were designed to function sexually, be it for procreation or marital recreation.
  

  In Eden, God created woman out of man. That's why in Genesis 2:24 it states that because of this, a man and woman will reunite to again become "one flesh."

  But this post's title is correct: Jehovah loves gay, lesbian, and transgender people.

  He loves all his children.

  The question is, how are those of us who continue to profess to be followers of Christ to respond to gay men and women, or transgender people?

  With great respect, considering that we are all still broken offspring of Adam and therefore distorted images of God, at least until the Restoration happens at Christ's return.

  Homosexuality is not an inconsequential orientation in human society. And the men and women who are born with this orientation are no less "normal" than anyone else. They each want what every human being wants: companionship, love, acceptance, joy, wholeness, and so on. And for gay men and women, it is in most cases impossible for them to experience those things in an intimate relationship with anyone other than the same gender and orientation.

  I struggle with this. I know what Scripture says about homosexual intercourse, yet I also know the holy spirit moves me to radical compassion. The kind of radical compassion Jesus lived out (and sometimes in violation of the Law).
  

  And so ultimately I strive to err on the side of compassion. Because in the end, Jehovah wants "mercy not sacrifice." And I refuse to sacrifice gay men and women on the altar of Scriptural literalism and overrighteous myopia if doing so results in the forsaking of mercy. On this, I will not strain the gnat and swallow the camel. Because mercy is the weightier issue at the end of the day, over and against the legal details.
  
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  Jonathan Drake

  There is nothing in Scripture, be it the Hebrew Scriptures or the Greek Scriptures, that condones the insertion of a penis into a male anus in mimicking heterosexual intercourse. Let's please be frank about this. It's a distortion of how humans were designed to function sexually, be it for procreation or marital recreation.
  

  Bullocks. There are a plethora of examples of homosexuality in nature. To say it's unnatural is demonstrably wrong as it is part of nature.

  You say you want to be frank but make disengenuous nature claims.

  It's also completely nonsense to say homosexuality isn't addressed but gay sex is; that's like saying, "the bible lets gay people love each other all they like as long as they don't actually have a relationship."

  Absurd.

  But this post's title is correct: Jehovah loves gay, lesbian, and transgender people.

  
  

  Statements like this make me upset. The only way you can believe this is to be completely delusional. "I love you, but if you don't change your ways I will kill you personally."