conspiracies, paranoia and the supernatural

by SpiceItUp 16 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • SpiceItUp
    SpiceItUp
    It doesnt' matter who that person is, even if they are a CIA trained spy, they will be telling their story as loudly as possible.

    I have to disagree...I think it would depend first on what the cover-up was about and also what they hoped to accomplish with the information. And I know some people that can keep very quiet about things..not all humans are apt to talk about everything they know.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    not all humans are apt to talk about everything they know.

    But most certainly are. 2 people? most likely one of them is. Think about the people you know.

  • Kingpawn
    Kingpawn

    SixofNine,

    Conspiracies, while not impossible, are nearly impossible. The more people who know, the more impossible they become. If some powerful world ruler with nefarious intent knows about aliens, how many other people have to know about it first, in order for said Dr. Evil to know? Lots. It hasn't happened.

    You make an excellent point here--the more that know, the less likely it can be kept secret. As an example:

    A persistent rumor has been that the US government has one or more crashed UFOs and/or aliens in their possession. Supposedly they're recovered and guarded by an elite group known as the "Blue Berets." This has been going on at some top-secret military installation for decades.

    Many objections have been made to this scenario that tie in well with your point. Basically it comes down to how many people MUST have found out about it from being involved in the retrieval or study of the material, plus those seeing the reports, plus several Presidents, etc. Why no beyond-a-doubt eyewitness testimony, photos, alien artifacts, files, etc revealed? How about proof we've applied alien technology somehow (Stealth bomber)? How are these people kept silent? Are they all murdered? How to do that on such a scale that future participants don't learn of it in time to avoid the same fate? And are all Presidents kept in the dark?

    Victor Marchetti co-authored "The CIA and The Cult of Intelligence. The Agency went to court to prevent its publication, but they failed, but they were able to win hundreds of deletions as a condition of publication. Yet nowhere does Marchetti or his co-author mention UFOs! Nor have other "tell all" books written by former spies for America, the UK, or other countries mentioned them either.

    I taped that "alien autopsy" on TV hosted by Jonathan Frakes ("Commander Will Riker," Star Trek:TNG). Let's face it, if that was real, there was very poor camerawork for such an important project. The video whited out completely every so often. The admission that parts of it were digitized didn't help (remember how Forrest Gump was made to look like he'd met JFK?). And the film's revealer had a big grin on his face the whole time that makes me distrust him.

    Impossible? No, but logical objections make believing in such an ongoing conspiracy extremely unlikely, doesn't it?

  • FriendlyFellaAL
    FriendlyFellaAL

    SixofNine said:

    Far as I know, the technology was not given to us by a little green man named Zork.

    'Course not...that would be silly. You know who gave it to us:

    Brian

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    Here is my reasoning of why we have had no alien contact (Im not saying they dont exist, hey the universe is BIG place!). If Aliens can fly 1000's of lightyears to get here, there technology would be years ahead of ours. They would conqour our asses in a second. They would be at the top of the food chain and either use us or get rid of us. To think that they would be 'peacefull' is a bunch of E.T. movie crap! Its nature folks! Survival of the fittest!

    Alot of those Alien sighings are all military stuff. We had (he passed away) a friend of the family who worked as a radar guy at a small nevada airport back in the 60's. He would be tracking some plane and then he would see a streak shoot across the radar screen. At first he thought the equipment was goofy but it kept happening. It kind of freaked him out! Needless to say he was relieved to find out about the SR-71.

  • Stealth
    Stealth

    How are these people kept silent? Are they all murdered?

    Don't be silly, didn't you see men in black? They flash this little light thing in their eyes and they forget everything they ever knew about the alians.

    Edited by - stealth on 26 July 2002 17:32:16

    Edited by - stealth on 27 July 2002 17:7:17

  • 4skins
    4skins

    I think whether something is common knowledge or not has little to nothing to do with genuine conspiracies. For example:- In the United States it has been common knowledge for quite some time that terrorist atacks were a-coming. Islamic groups were actively watched since the Gulf War of 1991/2, but it didn't stop a conspiracy to blow up the WTC. Unfortunately, conspiracies are a one-way thing. If you are a recognized authority you can proclaim an event as a conspiracy even if its not(Mousouai has been proclaimed a conspirator by the government) and you're likely to be believed by the majority. If, in juxtapostion, a citizen claimed that the government was partner in the conspiracy, as probably will Mousouai, he is likely to be ridiculed by the very same people that believed in a government-decreed conspiracy. The paradox here is that one presupposes the government to have a moral superiority which the average citizen does not, while at the same time the citizenry maintains its general distrust of government.

    Thus if there exists a conspiracy to overthrow western democracies,common knowledge is not likely to cause an abandonment by the conspirators to realize their goals. I would argue that common knowldege gives the conspirators an advantage.

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