Do Jws help disfellowshipped ones or apostates?

by haujobbz 34 Replies latest jw friends

  • Reborn2002
    Reborn2002

    The most interesting part of this practice is the Watchtower Society's misinterpretation of Scripture and the subsequent application of rules the Watchtower Society uses to manipulate and control the Witnesses and maintain a level of isolation from general society.

    If asked about this very topic, the Witnesses will state that a disfellowshipped or disassociated person is to be "treated like a man of the nations or a tax collector" and proceed to quote the Scripture from Matthew.

    The irony in this is that if they truly applied this belief in every aspect of their lives, they would not speak or hold any type of relationship whatsoever with any worldly person, whether it be on the job, or from door-to-door. They would in effect SHUN EVERYONE who was not a Witness.

    How can they rationalize to treat a person DF and DA as a man of the nations and SHUN THEM COMPLETELY, then proceed to go door-to-door or to work with men of the nations, and ham it up?

    When I questioned an elder about this during my "angry, rebellious, ask-a-million questions about contradictions in doctrine as I made my exit out of the Borg" stage, the prominent, arrogant elder of 30+ years just looked at me dumbfounded and retorted with the anticipated "independent thinking is for apostates because the FDS has provided all" response.

    Mindless drones who are incapable of realizing the faults and hypocricy within their own belief system.

    So sad...

  • Andyman
    Andyman

    Like so many have already said, I never received any help when I was active and I have not since I left, not DA'd or DF'd.

    I remember when my wife was pregnent with my son. We were both active, I had surgery on my knee and was on crutches, my wife was having a bad pregnancy and the doctors told her to take it easy. The whole congregation knew what was happening and the condition we were both in. NOT ONE JW came by to help until a sister from another state came to visit her parents. She stopped by to see us and got irrate that nobody had been coming by to help us. She organanized her mother and siter who were in our congregation and they all came up to clean, and they made us a meal. She left and once again nobody showed up. Finally one elders wife called and asked if there was anything they could do and I said yes, we could use some help cleaning the house. She brought us a meal instead, and a week later two sisters came by and did clean the house. This was over a 9 month period that we got helped cleaning the house twice and maybe three meals prepared for us.

    Now the sad part is that we lived less than 50 yards from one elder, and about 300 yards from another. One of them was my wifes brother! I worked with both of them and they knew how bad my wife was, and they knew that when I went in for surgery I would be laid up for over 3 months.

    Since we left my wife has had sever depression, we take care of her mother who has had several storkes, and we still NO help from the JW's, and little help from her brothers with her mom.

    I know another brother when I was active that needed help after surgery. Everyone knew he was sick and his wife worked, but nobody came around. Finally his wife got mad and went to the elders and "demanded" that someone come by to help him. What he got was some teenagers that came by to "read him the magazines" when the came out, he was almost blind.

    So from my experience it is very rare to get a JW to help and active JW, let alone an inactive one or a DF'd one.

    Take care.

    Andyman:

  • Tinkerbell4125
    Tinkerbell4125

    Oh yeah right, I don't know what I'd do without the support of the hovah's!

    Tink =:op

  • haujobbz
    haujobbz

    Joanna dont worry about them, you know your a good person and that all that counts you dont have to answer to anybody,you know what you wanna do "ignore them 1st" thats what i do. (you look like a teddy bear in the photo aww). roybatty that so sick how they did that, you see i would help anyone i could despite their circumstances there hearts are obviously shut tight. Andyman i have heard that one off so many people i know as well,and they have the cheek to knock peoples doors and preach to them "what hypocrisy". When i joined the jws 2 yrs ago because i came from the world and having a so called worldy image i was immediately judged by most but i didnt care because i had a life unlike them i had self respect, and then 2 weeks later an elder wanted me to partake in an item he had about newcomers to the truth what they had to change to fit in in with the J-dubs and i told the whole hall i used to smoke pot,be a proffesional thief,x-pornstar etc, and they were disgusted and i loved it i just wanted to give them some food for thought.I also very much agree with all your comments

  • Tammie
    Tammie

    Why in the heck would they even help some one who is either DF or DA, when they won't even help their own. I should know from personal experance.

    Edited by - Tammie on 23 July 2002 17:46:10

    Edited by - Tammie on 23 July 2002 17:46:52

  • Lieu
    Lieu

    Nope. I would think not.

    I caught neumonia during pioneer school and was bed ridden for two weeks. During those two weeks one sister (along with her daughter) from my congregation came to visit....and that was someone whom I would have never guessed would stop by. (there are some good folks in there)

    I recieved absolutely no phone calls from any of the brothers, not even my own BSC/BSO.

  • libra_spirit
    libra_spirit

    No way, none of them would want to be seen with you, they would be afraid of how it might look to others. They might be accused of associating with you. If spotted, at the very least, it would be "accusation by gossip" and would probably lead to personal shunning for them if not all out Disfellowshipping for them by the elders. Outward apearance is more important to them then any truth that would be happening at the time. How could they see your real needs, when all they are allowed to see is your judgment, they are too filled with fear to show love.

  • drahcir yarrum
    drahcir yarrum

    I remember a case while a teenager, of a girl who did the six month study (because in 1968 the time was so short we could only devote 6 months to the worthless bastards). The Witness she studied with was a nice looking young pioneer lad and it was obvious that she would have joined any group to be near him. Well, after 6 months she got baptised at a CA and was even on the assembly program with the pioneer, extolling the value of the 6 month study program.

    Within a month or two, she went to a fundamentalist camp revival with her brother and got baptised there as well. The committee meeting with her lasted all of 20 minutes and she was disfellowshipped without delay. Nobody ever spoke to her again or even mentioned her name in mixed company. I was always struck by the rapid turnaround and the lack of love shown her after that. Looking back on it, going to that fundy camp revival was the best thing that ever happened to her and I'll bet she doesn't have clue about it to this day. Apostacy ALWAYS results in disfellowshipping, never private or public reproof.

  • Tammie
    Tammie
    Looking back on it, going to that fundy camp revival was the best thing that ever happened to her and I'll bet she doesn't have clue about it to this day

    And it more in likey saved her from a misserable JW marrage. Now I'm not saying they are all bad, but there are some real horror stories.

  • SPAZnik
    SPAZnik

    Dubs are ONE-track. "Spirituality" first and foremost and ONLY.

    Sadly, emotional, physical and any other needs all too often go lacking amongst their own,
    never mind amongst those they've "written off" as "non-persons".

    I'd have to say YES, they would help. IF:
    if they thought it would be a "good witness"
    if they didn't think it would harm them politically within their religious community
    if they couldn't rationalize their way out of helping somehow
    if it didn't require going out of their way at all
    if they didn't know you were DF'd, DA'd.

    So basically, if you are df'd, da'd or even just inactive...and somehow you needed help,
    and the only person around wuz a dub....chances are u r SOL.

    IMO, If they do "help"...they have an ulterior agenda...and such help comes with a heavy debt or guilt trip all out of proportion to what they really did. Not the kinda "help" i need or want from anyone, least of all a witness.

    If they don't help...it seems to me to be basically so they can point and say that you/we are worse off in "the world" (self-fulfilling prophecy). Also cuz they have "written you off" quite literally. They have passed their judgement. End of story.

    Either way, the lack of "love" is blatantly apparent to me.

    My life is much better without such "help".

    ------

    On the whole, I'd have to say that most "people",
    dub or not, wouldn't lift a finger to help someone else
    unless they thought there was something in it for themselves.
    They all have their rationalizations about why not to help.

    I repeat, this is a generalization, i have met one or two rare exceptions,
    that seem capable of striking a great balance of give and take, without
    any other motivation than being loving and giving and just doing what they can.

    I'm not even sure if I'm one of these exceptions.
    Even I have to sorta pick and choose how and when and whom I can help.
    I can't do it all. But I try and even in small ways, I can do a lot.

    I think we ALL, as a human race, make decisions about who and when to help,
    based on our own conditioning, our own prejudices, our own whatever.

    It doesn't even seem to matter how obvious or extreme the circumstances...
    I have seen a real life recording of a homeless woman that got her scarf tangled in an
    escalator and it strangled her to death. Noone was around to help her at the time,
    however after the fact even, people actually stepped right over her dead body,
    like it was simply in their way, without giving her so much as a second glance,
    and without alerting anyone to her condition. Sickening.

    Personally I try to set up my life in such a way
    that I don't need anyone elses "help". jdub or not.
    (i guess it could be said that being a jdub contributed to my attitude on this.)

    Visiting this site, has been about the only exception to this rule of mine.
    This forum is full of some really neat people that each in their own
    way seem to participate in an effectively INTER-dependant
    "community". I'm fiercely INdependant (to a fault) and
    don't have much respect for extremely DEpendant people.
    But this e-community has been good "practise" at venturing
    to "lean" on others a bit, for once.

    Maybe it's just that people, who see themselves as having a common bond, help each other.
    As soon as that common bond isn't there, or isn't seen as being there, the people no longer help each other.

    I wonder....if i ran across a dub needing my help...what would i do?
    I think i would help in anyway i wuz capable...or i would find capable help.
    I hope i wouldn't let my knowledge about how "they" view me,
    stop me from helping them.

    But as for their help, can't say i'd even want it.

    More significant to me
    than the "help" any person does or doesn't give,
    is the motive or agenda behind it...the "spirit" it is done in.

    SPAZ

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