Understanding the Lord's Prayer. (page 3)

plmkrzy

Only 144000 of mankind can rightly call Jehovah abba father.

Why? Simple, because Jesus is the only begotten son of God (Jehovah) and so when the 144,000(the bride of Christ) are joined in marriage to Christ (the first resurrection) then they become as one with Christ which will automatically give them the right to address God as their father the same as Christ.

This is the teaching of the WTBTS.

OK Now pay attention.

I'll tell everyone why this is contradictory.

Several flaws. You all know your Bibles well enough so I'm not going to bother reciting scriptures. Its a waste of time.

FLAW # 1 The GB believes that ONLY men will join in marriage with Christ and have the direct line of communication with God the same as Christ. However they have not yet been resurrected (another doctrin thats always up for grabs) so they are not yet one with Christ so they are not yet Jehovah's Daughter-In-Law

FLAW # 2

The 144,000 is not a representation of a fixed number who will be resurrected but a Literal number literally being exactly 144,000

OK in order for this literal number of 144,000 anointed to literally be the Bride of Christ and rule with him as kings over the earth (like a King and Queen) then that would mean that the thousands of women who are anointed are not really anointed at all. Because that would put the number WAY over 144,000.

FLAW #3

Some of the anointed men class (example Y K ) believe that there are no women anointed anyway, more then likely for this very reason, because the numbers simply would not add up.

OK fine lets say that is correct.

Only men are really anointed and are going to heaven thus reassuring the literal number of 144,000.

Which brings us to:

FLAW # 4

My brother and I were chatting about this a couple weeks ago.

brother "HEY, I just thought of something, This makes Jesus my Step-Dad. hehehe"

sister "Not yet, at least not until the resurrection and the marriage" "So I guess until then we'll have to call him Uncle Jesus"

THE POINT

The 144,000 literal anointed could not possibly be all male because Jehovah would never approve of "same sex" marriages and especially NOT with his only son.

Bleep

willy_think wrote, "MODAL prayer? Never to be prayed?
Please show support for this odd view."

It is in the Bible, you might want to check my scriptures I used to back it up. (I will finish the Lord's Prayer ASAP by the way.) I have a doctors appointment and I started back to college.

funkyderek wrote confused, "Bleep, what part of "You must pray, then, this way:" do you have trouble understanding?" I had no trouble understanding since I have direction with Jehovah's true followers.

How about looking at the question that was asked of me?

Gumby asked me in the hell topic , "What did jesus DO, regarding the Lord's prayer? I am facinated that the JW's are the only true christians who DO this. What are these "teachings" from the great teacher that only TRUE christians do? Can you tell me more? I would like to learn of this religion of yours......it sounds so new and different!"

He asked me : "What are these teachings", so I went to the Bible.

I am sure you both cannot teach better than Jesus Christ. But then again maybe you both want to think up ways not to be on earth after death.

Bleep

NEomadperson Said, "Why don't you try expressing your own thoughts, instead of wasting bandwidth by just cutting and pasting Watchtower drivel?"

Using a text document and posting it on a web server does not take up alot of bandwidth, it takes up memory.

Another funny thing people say is I am downloading a program. Most times when you have a program you install it.

NeonMadman

NEomadperson Said, "Why don't you try expressing your own thoughts, instead of wasting bandwidth by just cutting and pasting Watchtower drivel?"
Using a text document and posting it on a web server does not take up alot of bandwidth, it takes up memory.

OK, I stand corrected.

You're not wasting bandwidth, you're wasting memory.

But you are wasting it.

And it is drivel.

Edited by - NeonMadman on 24 July 2002 15:34:46

willy_think

Bleep,

It's NOT in the Bible I looked it up. Please show support.

Bleep

Matthew's account of the sermon is about four times as long as Luke's. Moreover, portions of what Matthew records, Luke presents as being said by Jesus at another time during his ministry, as can be noted by comparing Matthew 6:9-13 with Luke 11:1-4, and Matthew 6:25-34 with Luke 12:22-31. Yet this should not be surprising. Jesus obviously taught the same things more than once, and Luke chose to record some of these teachings in a different setting.

hillary_step

Bleep,

I read your post :

Matthews account of the sermon is about four times as long as Lukes. Moreover, portions of what Matthew records, Luke presents as being said by Jesus at another time during his ministry, as can be noted by comparing Matthew 6:9-13 with Luke 11:1-4, and Matthew 6:25-34 with Luke 12:22-31. Yet this should not be surprising. Jesus obviously taught the same things more than once, and Luke chose to record some of these teachings in a different setting.

and just for a brief moment thought that you had finally come out of the harbor fog that you call your mind. I then found this written in the 86 WT, do you recognise it?

Matthews account of the sermon is about four times as long as Lukes. Moreover, portions of what Matthew records, Luke presents as being said by Jesus at another time during his ministry, as can be noted by comparing Matthew 6:9-13 with Luke 11:1-4, and Matthew 6:25-34 with Luke 12:22-31. Yet this should not be surprising. Jesus obviously taught the same things more than once, and Luke chose to record some of these teachings in a different setting. WT86

Net etiquette requires that one not to cut and paste information without honoring the authors. You clearly tried to mislead the readers into thinking that your wrote the above words in your post. You are a fraud and not a clever one. So it is back to square one, your posts are clear indications of your intellectual laziness and the fact that while you pretend to understand your subject, you know nothing and merely allow others to research and think for you.

You know what this makes you? A Jehovah's Witness.

HS

plmkrzy

@ hillary_step

how do you find this stuff so fast? Have you completely memorized every WT?

funkyderek

Using a text document and posting it on a web server does not take up alot of bandwidth, it takes up memory.

But downloading it takes bandwidth, which is what you're wasting.

Another funny thing people say is I am downloading a program. Most times when you have a program you install it.

If you don't have the program on your computer, and you want it, you may have to download it before you install it.

Bleep, why are you so sure of yourself on matters about which you're utterly clueless?

ozziepost

Bleep's contention about the name of God follows verbatim the Watchtower teaching. However this itself fails to recognise the understanding of the word "Name" as discussed in the Society's own "Insight" volume.

What is included in knowing the name of God?
The material creation testifies to Gods existence, but it does not reveal Gods name. (Ps 19:1; Ro 1:20) For an individual to know Gods name signifies more than a mere acquaintance with the word. (2Ch 6:33) It means actually knowing the Personhis purposes, activities, and qualities as revealed in his Word. (Compare 1Ki 8:41-43; 9:3, 7; Ne 9:10.) This is illustrated in the case of Moses, a man whom Jehovah knew by name, that is, knew intimately. (Ex 33:12) Moses was privileged to see a manifestation of Jehovahs glory and also to hear the name of Jehovah declared. (Ex 34:5) That declaration was not simply the repetition of the name Jehovah but was a statement about Gods attributes and activities. "Jehovah, Jehovah, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abundant in loving-kindness and truth, preserving loving-kindness for thousands, pardoning error and transgression and sin, but by no means will he give exemption from punishment, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons and upon grandsons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation." (Ex 34:6, 7) Similarly, the song of Moses, containing the words "for I shall declare the name of Jehovah," recounts Gods dealings with Israel and describes his personality.De 32:3-44.
When Jesus Christ was on earth, he made his Fathers name manifest to his disciples. (Joh 17:6, 26) Although having earlier known that name and being familiar with Gods activities as recorded in the Hebrew Scriptures, these disciples came to know Jehovah in a far better and grander way through the One who is "in the bosom position with the Father." (Joh 1:18) Christ Jesus perfectly represented his Father, doing the works of his Father and speaking, not of his own originality, but the words of his Father. (Joh 10:37, 38; 12:50; 14:10, 11, 24) That is why Jesus could say, "He that has seen me has seen the Father also."Joh 14:9. ( Insight -Volume 2 pages 466-7 )

So, "sanctifying God's name" is much more than a simple repetition of the word "Jehovah".

Cheers, Ozzie

Understanding the Lord's Prayer.

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