WT April 15, 2015... Odd first paragraph

by StarTrekAngel 14 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • menrov
    menrov

    OUTLAW reported what Tacitus wrote and in which this was said: Accordingly first those were arrested who confessed they were Christians; next on their information, a vast multitude were convicted, not so much on the charge of burning the city, as of "hating the human race."

    It means that many so-called Christians betrayed their "spiritual brothers and sisters" (as the WBTS calls them in par 1). This betrayal was not mentioned in the paragraph. Also, these Christians were punished for what they presumably had done. I do not support the treatment given to these Christians but as Jesus warned: “Put your sword back in its place! For all who take hold of the sword will die by the sword."

    If Tacitus was correct, you should wonder if these people who are referred to as Christians were truly Christians, in the sense that the actually acted as Jesus would. I do not recognize Jesus in the acts of these Christians. Further, if many of them were betrayed by their own "spiritual" brothers and sisters, one can truly wonder how much we should trust our spiritual brothers and sisters.

    As usual, the WT does not show sources or references. Further, I do not understand the switch from slaughtering Christians to Paul being concerned if Christians come to his aid.....most peculiar.

    Par. 3 says: Yes, the Lord Jesus provided the power Paul needed.
    Then it is most peculiar that the entire article is about trusting Jehovah. How big a contrast.......



  • punkofnice
    punkofnice
    From Wiki about the Colosseum at least


    Christians and the Colosseum

    A fanciful reconstruction of the Colosseum by Giovanni Paolo Panini[35] (Walters Art Museum)
    Cross dedicated to the Christian martyrs, placed in 2000 by Pope John Paul II.

    There are no historical records or physical evidence for the use of the Colosseum as a place of execution for Christians.[36]The idea that many Christians were martyred in the Colosseum, under the persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire is one that is disputed, since ancient Christian records do not record this.[37] However, it may be that "some Christians were executed as common criminals in the Colosseum—their crime being refusal to reverence the Roman gods", although mostChristian martyrs of the early Church were executed for their faith at the Circus Maximus.[38][39] According to Irenaeus (died about 202), Ignatius of Antioch was fed to the lions in Rome around 107 A.D, but Irenaeus says nothing about this happening at the Colosseum, although tradition ascribes it to that place.[40][41][42][43]

    In the Middle Ages, the Colosseum was not regarded as a monument, and was used as a quarry,[36] at a time when sites associated with martyrs were highly venerated.[44] It was not included in the itineraries compiled for the use of pilgrims nor in works such as the 12th century Mirabilia Urbis Romae ("Marvels of the City of Rome"), which claims the Circus Flaminius – but not the Colosseum – as the site of martyrdoms.[45] Part of the structure was inhabited by a Christian order, but apparently not for any particular religious reason.

    Pope Pius V (1566–1572) is said to have recommended that pilgrims gather sand from the arena of the Colosseum to serve as a relic, on the grounds that it was impregnated with the blood of martyrs, although two popes after him did not share this conviction.[46] A century later Fioravante Martinelli listed the Colosseum at the head of a list of places sacred to the martyrs in his 1653 book Roma ex ethnica sacra. It was only in the 16th and 17th centuries that the Colosseum came to be widely regarded as a Christian site.[47]

    The Christian Martyrs' Last Prayer, by Jean-Léon Gérôme (1883)

    Martinelli's book evidently had an effect on public opinion; in response to Cardinal Altieri's proposal some years later to turn the Colosseum into a bullring, Carlo Tomassi published a pamphlet in protest against what he regarded as an act of desecration. The ensuing controversy persuaded Pope Clement X to close the Colosseum's external arcades and declare it a sanctuary.[48]

    At the insistence of St. Leonard of Port Maurice, Pope Benedict XIV (1740–1758) forbade the quarrying of the Colosseum and erected Stations of the Cross around the arena, which remained until February 1874.[49] St. Benedict Joseph Labrespent the later years of his life within the walls of the Colosseum, living on alms, prior to his death in 1783.[49] Several 19th century popes funded repair and restoration work on the Colosseum, and it still retains its Christian connection today. a crossstands in the Colosseum, with a plaque, stating:

    The amphitheater, one consecrated to triumphs, entertainments, and the impious worship of pagan gods, is now dedicated to the sufferings of the martyrs purified from impious superstitions.[40]

    Other Christian crosses stand in several points around the arena and every Good Friday the Pope leads a Via Crucis procession to the amphitheater.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot
    There is a current school of thought that suggests that many of the stories of brutal martyrdom of early Christians by the Romans were actually propaganda used to stir up the zeal of the faithful and inspire conversions.
  • Half banana
    Half banana

    It is worth noting that the word in Greek used by the Roman authorities as mentioned in Wikipedia in Fulltimestudent's quotation; is 'chrestian' and not 'christian'. This described the 'good ones' or cultists who claimed messianic prophecies and roamed the streets (as portrayed in that monument of christian satire The Life of Brian). The authorities would not be using the later cult word 'christian' meaning 'anointed ones' as yet, they woud be referring to the pre-jesus variety which had existed for centuries preaching the myth of the holy god-man saviour.

    At 65 CE The chrestians were present but their is little to no evidence of Jesus' followers being there.

    It is so easy to read history and make assumptions which will claim connections which never existed and to write in things later with a false memory.

  • Captain Obvious
    Captain Obvious
    They'll use facts from "secular historians" when it suits them. When they disagree, they'll discredit them regardless of what the bible says.

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