by haujobbz 22 Replies latest jw friends
So how do you explain :
demon possesion in africa
voodoo magic
witches curses
weegee boards
dead talking
Just a minute. Before you start throwing in this other stuff, let's stick w your satanist person. Can she prove that a satan exists?? Before you get all lost in africa or some other place, let's deal w things at hand. You claim to have met a satanist person. Why not get her to introduce you to satan. That would be a big step to proving something. Don't you agree???
SS
A controlled environment is just what it says. An environment in which scientific principles of experimentation and observation are employed to carry out controlled experiments. When evidence of wicked spirits is obtained using these methods, I may start to give a little more credence to the existence of the supernatural. Until then, I'll remain a skeptical non-believer in unverifiable stories. Nor do I have to try and explain stories that believers put forward as "proof". The burden of proof is upon those making the claims.
Expatbrit
Why not get her to introduce you to satan
YIKES!! Pardon me for intruding on your post, but is that wise? If there isn't a satan, no big deal...but if there IS, I don't think I'd want to be introduced.
I don't think I'd want to be introduced.
Well why not---I'm not soo bad. I mean if there are humans more impure than me how bad can I possibly be.
You better watch it. You dont want to offend me now do you?
Lucifer
RE: what I meant when i said "dead talking" was spirit creatures that mimmicked the dead,i myself have been to these spirit consulting meetings and have observed supernatural phenomena such as windlike behaviour going past me,witnessing voices from dead ones and (not tape recordings i guarantee you),objects being shifted from 1 place to the other etc. When i was at school i witnessed a curse being creating using a weegee board (LOL excuse my spelling) and the person that was cursed that day actually thought he was an animal and started screaming at everyone acting like a total looney he's now in an asylum and (thats a true story).Also about introducing me to satan is a good point a bit like saying introduce me to god,so lets just be hypothetical and say theres no satan, just spirit forces or some kind of force which man can communicate with or interact! Who knows maybe the devil is god.
spirit creatures that mimmicked the dead
My comment was directed as a: How do you know they WEREN'T dead people talking to you? Why do you assume they were some kind of demon or spirit creature 'mimicking' the dead?
a curse being creating using a weegee board
That's insane - that's not even what a ouija boad is for! You ask questions and the board answers - it's not a method of directing spirits!
I am of the camp that believes there IS some kind of spirit presence we don't generally interact with. But, not 'God' or 'Satan' or 'angels' or 'demons'.
Black and white / good and evil are human inventions. The real world (and, spirit world, I assume) doesn't work like that.
True i never thought of that,dead people talking rather than spirits mimmicking the dead, so your saying maybe the dead exist in another form and these maybe voices of the actual dead ones. So why after weegee boards "so called curse" did this guy act so abnormal maybe he was a good actor or just wanted to leave school early,also i didnt know weegee boards had such a limited purpose.But you do seem to believe in a spirit realm!
One personality-deficient woman babbling about deeminz does not an argument make. Nor Ouija boards, nor voodoo practices, nor curses, etc., etc., etc., and so on.
Suggest everyone read "The Mind at Mischief," Adler, 1932. It's just amazing what your own mind can come up with and when someone else is observing it looks like what it ain't.
I was hypnotized when I was 19 years old. I was told that I could put out cigarettes in the palm of my hand. And I could. No marks of any kind. And I continued doing that for several years afterward. And I could do the firewalk thingy too. There was a place I could get to in my mind and then prance right across those coals like there was nothing to it - and there wasn't. But the phenomena was in my own mind, not in some curse or influence of demons.
Of course, my JDub family has accused me for years of being deeminized because I was hypnotized forty years ago. They think that because I left da troof, and because I established hard and fast boundaries for my dysfunctional father. That makes me crazy and deeminized. I'm the only one in my family who has ever set boundaries for the old man and enforced them, so natch all the jelly-spines think I'm deeminized.
Humans. Why did I ever come to this planet?
-francois
The burden of proof, lies only in the seeker of truth. And the spirit world lies mostly outside the physical world. There is no need to prove it in the physical world to anyone who is not seeking it. Moving your awareness into the dream realms and then through to the Astral plane will only prove it to you, no one else. If I told you, you are a being of Light that exists in another dimension, operating this human body that you helped create, set into motion, and are now expierencing through an attached cord, I could never prove it. I could tell you, it is possible to move your awareness outside the physical body, towards and then into this Light being that you truly are, for a time. Or I could say it is possible to bring your Light from the inner realms, the inner dimensions, into this one as Jesus did.
You shouldn't believe me, until you accomplish the expierence yourself, at that point, you will know the truth of it, but no one else will believe you. The physical mind cannot hold this truth that lies beyond it's death. So why all the fret over who is right and who isn't, it doesn't really mater. The absolutes are simply, we will all die, we will all either pass back across to the astral, like we do most every night, where we already exist now and then move into the Light, or we will all cease to exist. The only possible motive to want to argue about it is to gain control over others, in the emotional realm, and in the mental realm. Professing you know something, that they do not know, that can help or save them in some way in the afterlife. This is absurd if you really think about it. Do you really think that your "astral body" is any less capable then anyone elses', do you really think anybody here in the physical realm can teach you anything usefull about that body. LOL.... I think it so hysterically funny, the notion that I should cringe before anyone claiming such knowledge here in the physical.
The existence of spirits, wicked or otherwise, would not prove the existence of a creator. They could have evolved from more primitive life forms, in the same way we did. Of course, as there's no real evidence that such spirits exist, the question is largely academic.
Edited by - funkyderek on 1 August 2002 11:5:58
