Hi Prisca. I am Norm, and I am new here (page 2)

jelly

Now for my 2 cents,

I personally don't like it when people cut and paste directly from old watchtower magazines, I think this is because, with my background (one many of us share) I am already aware of what the are posting and I don't want to read it again. I do like reading the posters own thoughts and words and having to read through 2 pages of the 1937 watchtower to get to the authors thoughts sometimes obscures thier point, and is a little tedious.

Now be aware that I am not saying that people should not do that, post however you want, I am just saying I prefer reading what the poster is thinking not what the Org has written. Maybe a solution would be to reference the article without quoting it directly, or provide a link to the article on the internet if a reader wants more info.

Another point is that we should all avoid personal attacks, they do not prove you point and they do cheapen this site. I come here to discuss issues with people that may have some similar experiences with me. All of us that were active in the org and then left experienced two dramatic life changes (going in, and going out), and people that have no experience with JW's have trouble relating to our thoughts and actions sometimes. This site is should be a SUPPORTIVE place for people who were affected by the org, to engage in communication that is stimulating, and helpful.

There are not many rules to this site and I feel that is good, but it would be nice if everyone (and most people do) just use the same common curtesy that they would use with people in everyday life.

Jelly

Jelly (formerly of the attackdog class)

mommy

Jelly,
You are right there are not many rules here. I think that it is great Prisca and Norm both are able to express their opinion on this matter. After all with close to 1000 people registered there are alot of different opinions
wendy

ozziepost

G'day Norm,

It's great having a house full of old companions, so I'll follow latte's lead and welcome you, old son.

It would be nice if in an ordered world we all did as latte suggested, but methinks old habits die hard. How much easier to simply post as we feel inspired.

Ozzie (of the welcoming class)

Norm

Hi Prisca,

Thank you for clearing up those points for me. I am not going to make many comments but there is one point you make which I want to address.

You said:

I am merely expressing an opinion. I don’t intend to start a fight with anyone. That’s certainly not my style. Maybe some males don’t like females expressing their own thoughts and opinions in a definite manner? ie. If a male does so, he’s considered assertive; when a female does the same, she’s considered a bitch? In my books, I don’t really care who’s male or female – we are all considered equals here.

I agree with you that equality should be a given. The most assertive, headstrong and opinionated women I have ever met were my mothers. She and I have had the most extraordinary fights, no one on this planet could irritate and inflame me as she could. I had the privilege to be with her in the hospital when she died from cancer a few years ago holding her hand with my youngest brother. I am used to and love such women. In fact that is how I expect women to be. I feel extremely comfortable with women like that. If women like that are considered bitches then there are far too few bitches in this world.

There is one aspect of this however, which I have noticed in some women. When they are assertive and speak their minds, and you answer in kind, they tend to suddenly switch mode and it turns out that they actually want special treatment because of their sex. They want to be assertive like men are supposed to be, but they don’t seem to like the consequences of it. So all I can say is that you are welcome to say to my face whatever you want Prisca and all the other women here. Do not hold back, I am used to it, even like it. But if you have an idea that you might not be ready for any response, don’t do it.

Having the freedom to be assertive, hold strong opinions and speak your mind are things that I do not see as having anything to do with gender. Having done that through most of my life, I have experienced that with such freedom also comes certain disadvantages. I have lost a couple of jobs because of it. But being free is as they say having nothing left to lose.

What I have seen so far of this board I like and I hope to have a long and nice stay here.

Thanks to all of you who have commented in this thread.

All the best to you all,

Norm.

Tina

Hi Norm,
I look forward to whatever you write,be it 1 page or 10. I've learned so much from you and others in the past,and will continue to do so.I appreciate the thought and work that go into your posts.
Warm regards,Tina

JAVA

Hey Norman,

I see the Norwegians are starting trouble again! Yeah, we have a few rules that Kent and you need to follow. I'm not sure what they are yet, but stay tuned to this channel and I'll keep you posted. These rules will only apply to you, and Kent. Well, I'll add AlanF to the list too because he knows you, and can't be trusted either.

Hey I thought of a rule; you guys need to limit the size of each post to the size of each copy of The Watchtower. That's right--keep it down to 32 pages (the perfect spiritual food package size). There you go Brother Norman; now you have all of the rules. Go forth and spread cheer (or whatever)!

--JAVA, counting time at the Coffee Shop

Edited by - JAVA on 20 March 2001 10:54:15

TR

I agree with what Latte said:

WHY NOT USE ALL THE FORUMS ???
All the recent newbies could of said Hello in Make New Friends.
There are a lot of threads that would of fit in nicely in Bible Research.
I think that using the correct forum would help immensely.

However, comments about WT articles could be posted here on this forum, they are not bible study, per se.(especially coming from the WTS!) Serious bible discussion should be reserved for the bible research forum.

Maybe a new forum could be created for debate?

TR

unanswered

norm-i think prisca's opinion's are welcome and valid. i'm not trying to hop on a side here, i just think it was clear that prisca was not trying to make rules, just stating how she likes things and her opinion of what the board should be like. IMHO prisca's status as a long time member definitely gives her the right to do this. just as you, norm, have the right to post what you like. if people don't like your posts, you'll know, but i agree w/ the idea of making more use out of all the forums. i'm glad too, that this is the type DB where the above interchange can happen with civility. cheers to everyone here from a new guy-nate

waiting

Hey Norm,

I've enjoyed your posts here and on H20 (at least the poster's picture is the same.) Please continue posting your style and your opinions. As with belly buttons (or other parts) - we all have one.

Some of us have been out of the organization for decades. Others just started questioning yesterday. Therefore, even with the abundance of information flowing - it's still news to some of us.

Unless a poster shows a jw where (direct quote with proper identification) he's getting his information/argument from within the WT writings - the average jw is not going to accept just a quote. Proof is needed.

H20 posters have long known this - and the better ones provide proof - and for me and others who I've spoken with - we truly appreciate the time, effort, and articulation necessary to present a proof argument.

Thanks - and a lot of us are glad to see H20 posters here! The originals posters here welcomed witnet posters when they came here - and we could absolutely do no less for the H20 posters. Welcome home, y'all.

waiting

JanH

Hi TW,

You wrote to Norm:

"On another thread you were mentioning why you still believed the WT Org. was the truth."

LOL. No, that was Normie, a totally different person.

Thank heavens :)

- Jan

Hi Prisca. I am Norm, and I am new here

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