by scooter 46 Replies latest jw friends
hygh,
Sorry, I guess I'm missing your point here. I read it the first time you asked and I thought that when I responded to you, I covered my opinion. God's Commands are at issue in Deut. The blood issue is not following His command but taking it to an extreme. I see a big difference........dj
DJ I have no clue WTF you just said.
Gods commands or gods commands taken to an extreme? Who cares, that gods commands are nasty. So JWism is nasty, what do you expect from a religion based on such a filthy book.
Hygh,
I knew that you felt that way. It's obvious by most things you say. That's your opinion and you are certainly entitled. I just don't see the need to have a further discusson with you about much. So we can agree to disagree. I just happen to feel a little less intelligent than my Creator, and I try to remember that that the clay doesn't question the potter. His ways are higher than ours. How in the hell do I know? Take care and back off, ok? DJ
It doesnt take a genuis to see that "that creator" is a deadly nasty fella. Women and men are murdered merely for having sex. The JWism explanation is that God, in his loving, infinite, his ways higher than our ways wisdom, realized that adultery broke up families so he made it illegal. But I guess, picking up stones, and tossing them at a person over and over, by a crowd of people, hitting that person on the head, chest, arms, legs, breaking bones, causing hemoraging, concussion, and finally a terrible painful murderous death, doesnt break up families. The excuse, pitiful to say the least, by most christians that "we are no longer under the law" does not dismiss the murders of even one person who died under that wicked, demonic, satanic system of laws, in gods name. Thankfully there are christians alive today and back then, who believed that Jesus was preaching a different god, than the god of abraham and moses. A true god, a gentle loving god. And that is why time and again when they tried to obey that disgusting set of laws, he repudiated them. As for instance when he drew in the sand as the woman was brought to him with charges of adultery.
The statement that you are less intelligent doesnt cut it. JW policies are harming children, causing them to be raped and then further victimized by the system that claims to protect them. The bible is claimed to be a source of protection for women and children, when in fact it too further victimizes them. When it commands a virgin to be sold to her rapist, it gives no minimum age. Potentially and historically allowing men who raped young girls to own and thus further victimize these females their entire lives. The same issue applies be it blood, or fat or rape or the need to murder someone for working from friday at sunset to saturday at sunset, or the need to murder a boy yes a BOY who speaks back to his parents, cursing them, or to murder someone who doesnt worship that god or to murder someone who has sex. The list goes on and on. Biblical policies are deadly and dangerous. Your stating that this is "my opinion" does not change that fact. It does not change the fact that in the law supposedly god gave the death penalty, murder by stoning, for the most inocuous of "crimes". And certainly there was no religious freedom.
Every day now I get up and I read deut 22. I am brainwashing myself. The way christians brainwased me before. But instead of reading only the stuff that makes god seem nice and kind, I am reading the stuff that shows he is a sadistic villian. A little bit of analysing would cause a person to say wait a minute, this stuff that says god promotes the murder of a rape victim, or other such things detailed above and in the bible, is a lie. God would not do such things. Thus these things are added by men. Thus I dont have to say, that I am less intelligent than my creator and that I am clay. I can say that men lied about god maliciously. Those men who wrote these unholy scriptures.
Finally Paul can take a flying leap. We are not clay. No matter how much he wants to use that as a metaphor for us sitting down and shutting up and accepting whatever clap trap he decides to feed us as being from god. IF we are clay it is not to the potter (god) that we say why did you make me so. But rather to those that try to use a flower pot (us) for a urination pot. And if you wish to use that metaphor I dont. I am not clay I am a human being. I DO and will insist on questioning the potter. Any potter that deliberately makes me or any other person for a foul use, to be harmed, abused, raped, and then murderd for our "crime" of having "dared" to be victimized, needs his lic stripped from him.
Thankfully god isnt as the bible says she is. The bible writers are for the most part liars, and their lies are now exposed.
Back off? No. Read Duet 22. Dont give me excuses. Dont give me answers because I dont seek them. But in your own mind read it again and again and ask yourself, does your mother, daughter, sister, cousin, aunt, deserved to be murdered if she is raped, or sold to her rapist if she is a virgin? If SHE doesnt, then no woman does. Thus the person who penned that must be called into question. It wasnt god btw.
Just a thought here. If Jesus was the end of the law. Why do JWs, or anyone else for that matter follow the Hebrew scriptures at all? Even according to the JWs, the only thing from the OT that was carried over into the NT were the ten commandments.
Even according to the JWs, the only thing from the OT that was carried over into the NT were the ten commandments.
Lilacs,
I think that is what the Seventh Day Adventists teach. But your point it well taken. However your thought referes to the book of the Law, the first five books not the history books, Psalms etc.
Joseph
Hylandr,
I like the new hair cut.
