Victims of Pedophilia=Holy Grail on JW.com

by LDH 92 Replies latest jw friends

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  LDH

  Jesika,

  Like I said, I am sorry that you are the one whose name was attached.....and yes I understand that you are probably past sick of seeing your name, LOL.

  We used to have a poster on this board, Ros or Ginny Tosken I can't remember which....and her signature line always said something like, "Don't take it personal" or something similar. I thought that was good advice, and I guess it's good advice for you in this situation.

  The issue really isn't about you. Before you ever even came here, Fred was posting stupid shit every time Bill Bowen opened his mouth. It just continued with you. Hillary admitted that in the past Fred has almost always been gracious to the girls, and he doesn't know why Fred attacked you.

  (Neither do I.)

  The reason I started the thread was merely to point out that because WT/pedophilia is the hot button issue this year, is no reason for us to enforce different moderation/posting rules.

  In a way, I'm sorry the board got so big that Simon needed help moderating. But, all things change, no?

  One thing....I was a newbie at one point. I was pretty much attacked.I came from another board that closed. Some on this board had already formed an opinion of me. What you are going through is nothing. Don't let it get to you.

  Lisa
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  Jesika

  Well, I understand the thread wasn't about me, and I know you can see why I am tired of it. I guess I will just have to---like you said earlier--I can read or not and reply or not. I guess I have to put that into practice.

  Have a good evening and hope to talk to you soon as well as others.

  I must say I am glad this ended (for me) on a good note. I like this site and like alot of the people here. I have learned alot in the short time I have been here.

  Hugs and kisses to all,

  Goodnight,

  Jesika
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  Simon

  Lisa. Your posts do not make much sense to me.

  Are you saying that Fredhall and NYT should not have been deactivated for making personal attacks? You seem to say that they should be but then decry that they were.

  Are you saying that I only deactivate people who make personal attacks on victims of abuse? This is absurd.

  You seem to be in the black / white JW mindset where everything is either obviously right or obviously wrong but things are never that simple in practice. There are shades of gray - people say things that are borderline in which case I have to make a judgement between not allowing the wrong thing and being too quick to jump in or 'harsh'. For 'gray' matters then I may be looking beyond the immediate post to the general pattern by the poster.

  Twisting someone's name to call them 'bitch' is not appreciated and dissecting their posts to find some slight inconsistency is rediculous.
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  Cassiline

  I wonder will you or Valis admit you've been taken by Little Witch's words? ~~ LDH

  Lisa

  Took you three hours to catch it, I have been waiting and waiting for your victory dance.

  Seriously Lisa

  I honestly don't believe LW had to tell you she did indeed post under another name. Makes me really look at her as an honest person for admitting to it. You wont find many here that will admit to having made a screw up like that. Perhaps she screwed up when writing "This is the first time I have posted" or perhaps she does not want any to know her real identity. I really don't know. Do I feel "taken"? No.

  I do feel however the subject of why Fred Hall was deactivated has been beaten like a dead horse. This must be the tenth thread started about his demise.
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  LDH1

  Jesika,
  I'm glad too it ended on a good note for us. Thank you. I look forward to getting to know you.

  Simon,
  Although I'm on my way to bed now, I'll just make a couple of brief comments. I will try to catch up tomorrow although it's a holiday for us and I've plans.
  My position is that when a hot-button issue such as pedophilia is on the tip of everyone's tongue....the pressure is on you to moderate those issues with a heavier hand.

  As you know from emails I've privately written you, I'm not campaigning for Fred's return. I am aware that you get many emails, and am not pressuring you to respond. I know you'll respond when you're able.

  Simon I'm not saying either way Fred or NYT should have/should have not been deactivated. You and Dubla are the only ones I've shared a certain theory with, and if you re-read my emails you'll see why.

  This post was NOT about Fred or Jesika, they just (unfortunately for Jesika)represent the topic.
  It is the responsiblity of the community of posters at large not to put more pressure on you to moderate certain hot-button topics.

  As for this topic being "discussed to death," I already mentioned I went on vacation a day or two after it happened. I'm just now giving it some thought after reading certain posts. Those posts did not state my opinion, so I made my own. I wasn't aware that just because something had "previously been discussed" it was considered case closed.

  Little Witch made bitchy, attackingremarks to me. (followed by Valis') I don't feel that saying, "I've never posted before" and then saying, "Well yes I did, are you satisfied?" is a "minor inconsistency."
  I'm NOT LABELING LW a troll. Yet, this is some of the exact behavior we've seen from trolls in the past. I don't like it, it isn't honest or fair.

  Trying to give the impression that you are "impartial" because you are a "newbie" then admitting.....well, you've been around for months. C'mon, now! It may have been unintentional, but minor it wasn't.

  Lisa
  Always been Lisa Class

  Whoops, I just hit my limit of 30. I hope this goes through...

  Edited to finish my thought and fix my formatting....

  Edited by - LDH1 on 2 September 2002 3:26:5
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  LDH1

  LOL @ Cassi...I said in the beginning of the thread I wasn't getting much sleep.

  Took you three hours to catch it,

  Makes me really look at her as an honest person for admitting to it. You wont find many here that will admit to having made a screw up like that.

  Now this, I can agree with.

  I do feel however the subject of why Fred Hall was deactivated has been beaten like a dead horse. This must be the tenth thread started about his demise.

  I only saw a couple, but like I said....they didn't really state my position well.

  ((((((Cass))))))

  Lisa
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  LB

  Ok things are turning out fine here. Now. I think we need to be certain of our love for each other though.

  All right you two, down to your undies and into the mud pit with ya!
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  teejay

  >> My position is that when a hot-button issue such as pedophilia is on the tip of everyone's tongue....the pressure is on you to moderate those issues with a heavier hand.

  Lisa,

  I'm glad I read this thread to the end. Your quote here is what I thought you meant by your original post.

  For what it's worth, months ago an abuse victim posted her story here. She was a newbie. She made--what I thought were--unfair comments about all JWs. I never attacked her but simply took issue with a couple of her generalizations. Since I didn't jump in with both feet in support (as most did) I took some serious heat.

  And learned a valuable lesson: abuse victims have a sort of carte blanche here. *Should* it be that way? Should those types of threads be moderated more heavily? Should those with valid but alternate viewpoints be more harshly censored, even banned? Maybe, maybe not. One thing I learned: to avoid those types of threads, particularly if I have a viewpoint that is even slightly negative. In other words, yes, shut up about it.

  For me, it's a small price to pay.
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  Simon

  It is a difficult balancing act ... on the one hand we want to treat abuse survivors with respect and consideration (as we would anyone who has gone through a particularly painful experience) but on the other hand I do think that there is almost a sort of 'off limits' barrier when it comes to people claiming to have been involved in abuse (either a survivor or a relative).

  I would not want to hound someone or pressure them to prove their story but neither do I think that anyone claiming to be involved should be beyond criticism or questioning. If they are then I can guarantee that some people will use this as 'cover' to cause trouble or get money or take advantage in some other way.
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  little witch

  I am sorry lDH, if you think I am a ''lurker'', and a ''troll''. I didnt even know what that meant until my sister explained it to me just today.

  I posted a sentence or two, that I explained earlier. At that time, I had no interest in these boards. I didnt think I had any relevent info for anybody.

  However, I read many posts from people who felt they are abandonded by their mothers, and that hit me hard.

  When I switched ISP's, and tried to post on the board, I had to have an email address. I couldnt use my old one, naturally, I had to enter my new email.

  Also, after talking to my sister, who is teaching me about the internet, I logged in under a username. I remain who I am, and still kept my same ISP username, only with the new domain extention. Simon knows this is true.

  I did not attack you, LDH, but surely you realize the title of your post was infammatory, and hurtful.

  I am a ''newbie'', and a single post does not make me otherwise.

  I am trying to copy and paste posts, so I can use your own words, but boo hoo, no luck. So what I will say now is not a direct quote,

  LDH in essence said that this board wasn't created for the purpose of protecting peoples emotions.

  I cant think of a reason it was created other than to heal, and help those who have shared experiences. I was just about to write, ''this will be my last thread on this subject''. But something tells me LDH will say something that requires further comment, and if I respond, she will say, ''See i told you she was a liar''.

  My posts are my posts, I am a ''newbie", I am honest. Thanks to those of you who believe me...