JT: I'm outta there too, my friend, long ago! WHY OH WHY do the Dubs continue in the preaching work when even the Governing Body admits that it's pointless? Of course, we know the answer - it's related the Watchtower Printing Corporation's BOTTOM LINE!!!!!!!! and nothing else....
BrotherX reveals Purpose of Door-to-Door Ministry
by Derrick 26 Replies latest jw friends
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Crazy151drinker
why cant bin ladin crash a plane into bethel..........
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ItsJustlittleoldme
SYN and JT:
Yeah, if the 'preaching' work isn't to seperate the sheep and the goats, ya gotta wonder why they still consider everyone not of their 'organization' worldly? After all, the bible is very clear about how you treat the least of my brothers you do to me.. If they believe that some of the 'worldly' may be their brothers, yet treat them as wordly, I wonder how Jesus/Jehovah will look at them for that on their judgement day?
Even if they claim it is not to seperate the Sheep and the Goats, that is what their actions are still doing, and as we all know, actions speak louder than words...
BTW: Good choice to get out of there!!!! <G>
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Mackin
I do not believe this post to be true.
JW's do not beleive that they are deciding who lives and who dies on the basis of their preaching work. And all this stuff about Noah using hired help to buld the Ark is new to me too. In fact as JT said, they believe the separating work is to be done only by Jesus.
I do not want in any way to defend the dub's, I hate the WTS and its teachings, but I feel that if you're going to attack them then it should be done so factually, not with the personal opinion of a quite possibly fictional brother X in what may well be a made up story.
Mackin.
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ItsJustlittleoldme
Mackin,
What do they go door to door for? And why is everyone who does NOT become baptized witnesses get treated as worldly?
That sounds like a judgement to me.. I don't know about them, but I certainly don't want to classify people as worldly who *MAY* have a realistic chance of being resurrected as one of Christ's brothers, for then I will have mistreated Christ's brother, and we all know what Christ said about that, what you do to the least of my brothers, you do to me also.
So, if they aren't judging, or seperating (grouping the haves and the have-nots), what exactly do they think they are doing?
I also have found much stuff written in their literature that states infatically that the 'organization' is the only thing that will make it through armageddon..
http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/exclusivity.htm
So, if they believe that they are the only ones that will make it (the organization, and any ones within the organization that are 'ok' in Jesus' eyes) for what purpose are they going door to door. They clearly believe that only they (the organization will pass through armageddon, and then by the 'grace' of god anyone associated with it whom god deems 'worthy')...
Edited by - itsjustlittleoldme on 6 September 2002 18:58:7
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Derrick
JW's do not beleive that they are deciding who lives and who dies on the basis of their preaching work.
With all due respect, that's the problem with missionaries who want to help JWs. They believe they can fully know the minds of those in high positions of responsibility in an organization some have adeptly compared to the "Borg" collective consciousness.
You misread my post. I didn't say JWs believe they personally are deciding who lives and who dies on the basis of their preaching work. That's a subtle difference you misread into my post. What I said, perhaps written to a JW or ex-JW audience who can read between the lines, is that JWs believe they are being used by Christ to decide who is a sheeplike or goatlike one with obvious consequences. I said this under the premise that many know the Watchtower has published "new light" on the separating work. Should I qualify that many understand this new light on the intent of the door to door ministry as more of an external "white wash," in order to prevent public alarm over what amounts to a complex and confused understanding of the true purpose of the worldwide preaching work that continues its Darwinian evolution.
As a side note, many missionaries who specialize in JWs are under the misguided impression that someone with my candor and irreverance is really a competitor in disguise, and not a baptized JW. I mean, they seem to think JWs are "dumb and dumber," and dismiss the probability that a JW could be in their midst who dares to actually think. Therefore, they simply don't "graduate" to the next level of the anthropologist who gets into the "tribe" and fully understands all its vegarities and subtle nuances.
And all this stuff about Noah using hired help to buld the Ark is new to me too.
Maybe because it hasn't been put so bluntly. Do you think Noah and his family built that Ark all by their lonesomes? Did not barter society exist that enabled them to walk through a market and "shop" for food, clothing, and whatever else was available to a society roughly a millennium "de-evolved" from Adamic perfection? Remember that Adam and Eve were perfect, their offspring "almost perfect," and they supposedly "de-evolved". Centurian lifespans were recorded in Genesis. One can only conclude that if we went from the horse-drawn carriage to the Moon in less than 100 years, what could close-to-perfect humans with the luxury of centurian lifespans achieve in a millennium? Even after the flood, humans were still close to perfection as evidenced in God's concern over their universal language and tower project.
Getting back to the pre-flood era, considering our modern trade system has advanced in less than half a century, imagine the centuries immediately before the flood. These had matured for half a millennium already. Robust trade obviously occurred, and part of trade is the exchange or barter of services for other services or goods.
Incidentally, I'm paraphrasing a CO's talk in our congregation years ago. Again, you might be taken aback by the bluntness of my description (not couching my words in the drivel of the "pure language" that many JWs try to speak, which basically qualifies every single thought to avoid being accused of "independent thinking"). However, the gist of my comments are considered true by many JWs, and often these particularly controversial rays of "light" are too "bright" for their publication pages. We get it by word of mouth in CO talks that leave us "spiritually refreshed" and awed.
I believe, truly, it's safe to say my comments on the Society's view of JWs as helpers to build their "spiritual Ark," but not necessarily on the passenger manifest (in a manner of speaking), reflect their general views. Much of the "new light" these days is P.R. stuff and it's difficult to separate a real change in fundamental beliefs by the GB and Bethelites, and P.R. stuff intended to "dumb down truths too painful and controversial for worldly people to grasp," again paraphrasing another elderly remark that suddenly reverberated through my mind just now.
Don't believe it, if you don't want to. Besides, I figure if J.H. or other "regulars" here were to stamp their approval on its correctness then nobody would question what I said. I won't hold my breath waiting for any endorsements because I never was considered a popular kid on the block, refusing to wear the equivalent of "gang colors."
In fact as JT said, they believe the separating work is to be done only by Jesus.
They believe it is done by Jesus, yes, but through whom is the separating work done? You'll get as many answers from the GB as there are living GB members, that is without question.
Derrick
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Mackin
Derrick:
You misread my post. I didn't say JWs believe they personally are deciding who lives and who dies on the basis of their preaching work. That's a subtle difference you misread into my post. What I said, perhaps written to a JW or ex-JW audience who can read between the lines,...
So you did make it up then it seems.
...is that JWs believe they are being used by Christ to decide who is a sheeplike or goatlike one with obvious consequences
In all my years as an pioneer, elder & bethelite, I never believed ot taught anyone else to believe this. JW's do not believe they are being used by Christ to decide who is a "sheep" and who is a "goat", they do believe they are being used by Christ to take the "good news" to people and then they leave it up to Christ to decide who is a "sheep" and who is a "goat." Maybe that's just a technical difference to you but the more "spiritual" dub's wont see it that way.
Maybe because it hasn't been put so bluntly. Do you think Noah and his family built that Ark all by their lonesomes? Did not barter society exist that enabled them to walk through a market and "shop" for food, clothing, and whatever else was available to a society roughly a millennium "de-evolved" from Adamic perfection?
Actually the whole story of Noah and the global flood is fiction, so I don't think anyone built any Ark. The WTS however has never to my best recollection ever stated that hired help was used. I will stand corrected if you can back up your claims however. The average dub is not encouraged to think about the Noah story too deeply, if they do they'll see it's all a fake.
My whole point is that you are refuting the dub's with your own conjecture. Dub's are nit pickers to the highest degree, they will pick the eyes out of your story and then feed it back to their congregations as evidence of "apostate lies." You run the risk of undoing much the hard work of those who are endevouring to use the WTS own published information to help the rank & file congregation members to see the error of WTS teachng.
"Brother X, who thinks he heard this from a CO, or maybe it was word of mouth or maybe he just came to the conclusion himself" just doesn't cut the mustard in my book.
Mackin.
Edited by - Mackin on 7 September 2002 1:1:4