by kenpodragon 27 Replies latest jw friends
The bottom line is that if someone doesn't want to speak or socialise with you they can't be forced to do so; disfellowshipped or not. Of course they are legally obligated to conduct business with you on the job, but wouldn't be required to be nicey-nice.
I surely wouldn't want someone to be legally forced to socialise or chit-chat with me if they didn't want to; what would it accomplish? If someone doesn't want to talk to me I sure as hell don't want to try and make them.
So, they don't socialize. There are other uses for this unique status
Mustang
Hi Kenpodragon: Religious baptism is not an enforceable contract on any party, whether adult or otherwise. Religious baptism also does not meet the criteria of what constitutes a legitmate contract. That is, it does not have the essential elements under contract law. Although, were it a contract, it would be considered a unilateral agreement, where the individual is bound to perform, but not the Watchtower organization. Baptism is not testable in the courts. That is, courts are not going to allow such a case to be tried. So, there is nothing you or I or any ex-JW can do about it.
I would still bet that someone where out there is a lawyer who would be willing to take this on.
Take it on and do what with it? Chappy makes a valid point. Perhaps it might prevent them from making a public announcment, but we all know that being a JW means following lots of unwritten/unspoken rules.
It would only work (imo) if the action was taken by someone who was still under the age of majoirty. Otherwise your tacit agreement (association and cooperation with the Borg) after turning the legal age for your jurisdiction would indicate your willingness to continue your association with the Org despite not necessarily being able to enter into a contract while a minor.
Just my 2 cents
Kismet
Ahh, they can't leave the perennial morass of the JW Doctrine of "UNDERAGE BAPTISM" alone.
New(??) thought on this: somebody in the last few days mentioned that young, "mature" individuals (or some such phrase) were acceptable for baptism. (Drat, I didnt footnote that; if anybody else has a reference to this, please post it in this thread.)
So, JWs soundly condemn INFANT BAPTISM (a practice of one of those heathen churches...) but generate and espouse a unique dOCTRINE of UNDERAGE BAPTISM (to suit their own ends...), while common sense and good reason have caused all codes of Law to recognize an AGE OF MAJORITY vastly different from their own practice.
Kismet: Look backward in this thread for RATIFICATION. That is what you are describing.
Kismet #2: for various reasons, ITS NOT A CONTRACT. I've heard of this, but am short on details. Time to petition Amazing for those.
Eye-ronGland: Ponder this, for a start:
"Good point, happy man: some people left BEFORE the questions changed and thus DID NOT RATIFY THEM. Technically, they are DIFFERENT TYPE OF JW!!! Do they have their own Church?? If they care to proclaim such, they would!!!
That gets REAL INTERESTING & you are now GETTING WARM!!! "
Thats not your full answer, there's more possibilities...
BTW, HappyMan, once again I remind you: Look back to the RATIFICATION, also. You would have to LEAVE BEFORE THE CHANGES or you RATIFIED your way into the new arrangement. For instance, many left RIGHT AFTER 1975 & BEFORE THE CHANGES (variously put as 1984 +/- a year or so).
Mustang
Edited by - mustang on 27 September 2002 1:1:6
Edited by - mustang on 27 September 2002 1:4:1
kenpo,
: I would still bet that someone where out there is a lawyer who would be willing to take this on.
A lawyer was willing to prove in court that Kris Kringle was the one and only Santa Claus, so lawyers never fail to to amuse me.
Oh, wait! That was a movie!
Would a REAL-life lawyer try to prove in court that Kris Kringle was actually Santa Claus? At $250.00 per hour with "research", court-time, delays and appeals? Doh! You bet your sweet bippy s/he would!
Problem is, WTS lawyers work for $90.00 per month, plus some sort of "salvation" perk as their "golden parachute." (Provided they die serving the WTS.) They can stay in court for generations and not cost the WTS much, as long as the WTS offers them "salvation" for their lying and dirty tricks.
Great deal for the WT Printing Corporation(tm). Sucky deal for the lawyers who believe that shit.
Farkel
Edited by - Farkel on 27 September 2002 2:21:12
