by sleepy 28 Replies latest jw friends
The BRAIN may be dead, but what does that say of the MIND ? They ain't the same you know.
Suggest you go to a hard-to-find-book place, like half.com, and get a copy of Moody's "Life After Life." This is guaranteed to make you think about this topic very very differently than you do now.
Frank
What do they mean? I think they mean you were near death don't they?
The BRAIN may be dead, but what does that say of the MIND ? They ain't the same you know.
No they're not the same, but as far as anyone can tell, the mind is entirely a function of the brain. Damage to the brain results in corresponding damage to the mind.
I agree that the body does die, but there are many steps before a person actually dies. During this time, the soul, which is a very active part of each human being, is deciding what our next journey will be, or if the present life is to be extinquished. Sometimes, the soul is not ready to depart the body, the shell in which it is being housed at the present time, and so, the body is "kept" and might "appear" to come back to life.
These are your true "near death experiences. I have had one. It is a very significant experience, difficult to explain or relay to another. If you have not personally had such an occurence, you might be quick to say it isn't real.
There was another thread on here within the past couple months where there were lots of experiences, including mine. If I can find it, I'll refer you to it.
Love and Light,
Sentinel
The results of a study of a few nde's in a hospital in holland was reported in the lancet magazine. It's at http://www.thelancet.com/search/search.isa You can register, then do a search for
Near Death Experience In Survivors of Cardiac Arrest.
That should bring up Volume 358, Number 9298 15 December 2001
Here are excerpts from the article:
"During a night shift an ambulance brings in a 44-year-old cyanotic, comatose man into the coronary care unit. He had been found about an hour before in a meadow by passers-by. After admission, he receives artificial respiration without intubation, while heart massage and defibrillation are also applied. When we want to intubate the patient, he turns out to have dentures in his mouth. I remove these upper dentures and put them onto the 'crash car'. Meanwhile, we continue extensive CPR. After about an hour and a half the patient has sufficient heart rhythm and blood pressure, but he is still ventilated and intubated, and he is still comatose. He is transferred to the intensive care unit to continue the necessary artificial respiration. Only after more than a week do I meet again with the patient, who is by now back on the cardiac ward. I distribute his medication. The moment he sees me he says: 'Oh, that nurse knows where my dentures are'. I am very surprised. Then he elucidates: 'Yes, you were there when I was brought into hospital and you took my dentures out of my mouth and put them onto that car, it had all these bottles on it and there was this sliding drawer underneath and there you put my teeth.' I was especially amazed because I remembered this happening while the man was in deep coma and in the process of CPR. When I asked further, it appeared the man had seen himself lying in bed, that he had perceived from above how nurses and doctors had been busy with CPR. He was also able to describe correctly and in detail the small room in which he had been resuscitated as well as the appearance of those present like myself. At the time that he observed the situation he had been very much afraid that we would stop CPR and that he would die. And it is true that we had been very negative about the patient's prognosis due to his very poor medical condition when admitted. The patient tells me that he desperately and unsuccessfully tried to make it clear to us that he was still alive and that we should continue CPR. He is deeply impressed by his experience and says he is no longer afraid of death. 4 weeks later he left hospital as a healthy man."
More excerpts describing emotional/belief changes after nde experience.
8-year follow-up included 23 patients with an NDE that had been affirmed at 2-year follow-up. 11 patients had died and one could not be interviewed. Patients could still recall their NDE almost exactly. Of the patients without an NDE at 2-year follow-up, 20 had died and four patients could not be interviewed (for reasons such as dementia and long stay in hospital), which left 15 patients without an NDE to take part in the third interview.
All patients, including those who did not have NDE, had gone through a positive change and were more self-assured, socially aware, and religious than before. Also, people who did not have NDE had become more emotionally affected, and in some, fear of death had decreased more than at 2-year follow-up. Their interest in spirituality had strongly decreased. Most patients who did not have NDE did not believe in a life after death at 2-year or 8-year follow-up (table 5). People with NDE had a much more complex coping process: they had become more emotionally vulnerable and empathic, and often there was evidence of increased intuitive feelings. Most of this group did not show any fear of death and strongly believed in an afterlife. Positive changes were more apparent at 8 years than at 2 years of follow-up.
With lack of evidence for any other theories for NDE, the thus far assumed, but never proven, concept that consciousness and memories are localised in the brain should be discussed. How could a clear consciousness outside one's body be experienced at the moment that the brain no longer functions during a period of clinical death with flat EEG?22 Also, in cardiac arrest the EEG usually becomes flat in most cases within about 10 s from onset of syncope.29,30 Furthermore, blind people have described veridical perception during out-of-body experiences at the time of this experience.31 NDE pushes at the limits of medical ideas about the range of human consciousness and the mind-brain relation.
SS
I found the thread where I posted, but I was rather new here and was responding to something related to unusual experiences.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=30230&site=3
Sentinel
Sentinal
It could be this one http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=29841&site=3&page=1
That's where i originally posted about the lancet article.
SS
Sentinal
There are some sites where people can share their nde's. There are some large collections. I find them very interesting.
SS
Near death experiences, what do they mean?
Usually it means the individual who is experiencing the "near-death experience" has shot a little too much heroin into their arm.
There have been posts previously on this website discussing this very topic. Stories told of people levitating in spirit some 15 feet above their body, walking through glass doors and passing through concrete walls.
Give me a fv<\<ing break.
Personally I find it to be repulsive. A sideline freak show given by people who wish to get attention and have a story to tell the media.
Alas, that is my opinion, if you dont like my opinion, tough sh1t.
An actual account of a near-death experience being true is about as likely as YouKnow telling the truth, or stepping off of his arrogant pedestal and admitting when he is wrong.
So basically, it doesn't happen. LOL
Reborn2002 "So basically, it doesn't happen"Your logic is just so strong.
