Planting seeds of doubts- What works for you?

by Cappuccino OC 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • Cappuccino OC
    Cappuccino OC

    I have found differences in the way to plant seeds of doubt: here are my experiences

    When speaking to JW's I found that the "UN" & the child abuse cases where the JW pedophiles have been convicted and in prison works wonderful.

    When speaking with non-JW's I found that speaking to them about JW pedopiles who go door to door makes them totally IRATE.

    I've also asked them to do non-biased research on topics they are not sure. I've told them if you are in the "TRVTH" you have nothing to worry about the information that you will find.

    Let's share what has worked for you when plating seeds of doubt?

    Capp

  • JT
    JT

    i no longer use the word "internet" when someone asked where did you find that or read that

    i tell jw to do their research at the "Library"

    for those of us who have been jw for years we fully understand how the wt demonizes words

    case in point is College- if you are a jw from the 60's-late 80's the mere mention of the word college invoked the thought of greed, showy display of ones means of life, to proud to do manual labor like jesus, trying to carve a nich in the old system, not content, strving after the wind, storing up treasues on earth and the list goes on and on

    the wt has successfully demonized the word college, that is why wt does not use the word "College"

    instead they use "Supplimentary education" who in the Hell every refers to a 2 yr or 4 yr college as gettting suplimentary education, but since the wt had already demonized the word College/degree/university, higher education they could no longer use those terms

    well many of us back on the ole H2O site discussed how the wt would NOT TELL IT;S members not to use the net instead they would just Demonize it- so the mere mention of the word at a gathering or in a group having a conversation would invoke in all who hear the word

    "This person has been looking at Porn and Apostate sites"

    so i rarely if every tell a jw to do research on the INTERNET

    in fact many here have commented about how they could be on a roll with a jw and as soon as they say INTERNET the jw puts on a big grin, rubs his belly and says "Oh you got that info about jw from the INTERNET"

    SO IN the mind of the jw all that you have said previously he was in full agreement with once you told him the source ALL CREDITBILTY WAS OUT THE WINDow MATTERS not if the info was true all that matters in his mind is YOU GOT IT FROM THE INTERNET

    so your post is right on time in that more former jw need to improve on thier techniques

    we have all watch here on the net how many realize they blew it when they tried to unload both barrels on Uncle Fred and he just shut them down - now making it almost impossible to get that chance again-

    i often find that many former jw didn't learn anything while in wt or they have forgetten how effective it was one-

    in wt we always made sure that we kept the householder talking by asking questions and listening to them give answers to that we didn't give a Rats A$$ about, but we kept them talking and thinking that we were really interested in thier views or opinions, yea right-

    point being that techniques can work both ways for something negative like wt or something postivive that allows one to start on the road of thinking for themselves instead of the Boys in Writing

    doing all thier thinking for them

  • MikeMusto
    MikeMusto

    I have found that offering words of various changes in teachings.

    teachings that conflict each other., such as the fds being chosen

    in 1919 and the wack teaching that continued to follow. As many

    on this board have said..."the society is its own worst enemy"

  • happy man
    happy man

    JT.

    When it comes too the abuse thing, I tell my friends to read in WT, 95 where whey can see fore them self , our polyci, widh two wittneses.

    I dont think this dont read on internet thing, will work inn the long run, lokk on myself, I think what is this talk , never read on internet, it was the same as say too me look here is something realy important.

    You can perhaps try to kill the messenger, but in ost case it is a bad strategi.

    internet is a woice fore the wociless.

    kina fore exampel are terrifide ,,now peoepl can look fore them self, who it is in western world, it is not so godd fore our lewadership to bee inn the same categori as Cina, and north korea.

    When Rusel lived, he use the new media fore his perpuse, therfore i am very sad that the GB dont understand the power and use of this media.

    Leving it too your anymies is a very bad way too goo.

  • JT
    JT

    When it comes too the abuse thing, I tell my friends to read in WT, 95 where whey can see fore them self , our polyci, widh two wittneses.

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    excellent point- that article is really good

    I dont think this dont read on internet thing, will work inn the long run,

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    I agree in the long run i do tell them, but if that is the first thing out of ones mouth when telling a jw for the first time that the org is wrong- in my exp they shut down

    after you get to feel them out - then one knows if they will shut down with the mention of the word net- but to come right out and say go and read this on the net- in my exp it does not work that effective

    and the reason is like i mentioned the wt has prepared them on how to respond-

    why do you think so many jw actual comment that the internet is the tool of satan

    as if a 1957 Chevy was not

  • ISP
    ISP

    IMO....if dubs aren't sensitive to the current issues i.e. paedophilia....they deserve to stay in it. I ain't too bothered about them.

    ISP

  • johnny cip
    johnny cip

    i go

  • johnny cip
    johnny cip

    i go straight for new wt articles. i like the jw history ones . were the wt calls books like millions now living will never die, the time is at hand,harp of god,face the facts,etc. and the 1919 1922 conventions bible truth . then i ask if these books were inspired by god many will say yes. i ask if they ever read these books. they mostly say yes that was one of the best books i ever read.???now that i set them up like bowling pins....it's time for the ball!!!!!keep in mind i take notes ,so when they try to lie there way out ..i point to their past comments !!!!!!!!now it,s time for the quiz on these books.....after a couple of minutes .i got them in lie 1 they have no idea what was in them. then i stop playing stupid and give them the false prophecies in these books . i get the jw,s to lie more.. and they know i got them to lie to protect the wt .i always say keep a few newer wt around find tthe lies in them.. and use it to make the jw's foam at the mouth when they lie for the wt.....happy hunting john

  • greven
    greven

    try to get your hands on a WT CD-rom. witnesses use it all the time, so it has the same authority to them as the normal mags.

    So them the lies from your screen!!

    best thing to start the conversation is saying you are interested and studied their religion with the cd-rom they might ask you how you got it, maybe you can say you got it from a friend. then move on with your conversation. say you do not understand some things point them to these inconsistencies and watch them squirm their way out!! play dumb, let them explain. they might get away with one or two but their really is an avalance of material. to much meat to chew for even the most hardened JW-veteran.

    ps if you are atheist you can do the same thing with the bible! let them try to explain the numerus inconsistencies.

    Good luck, and happy hunting!

    greven.

  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan

    Last November 60 Minutes II had a story about a 15 year old boy who was completely cured of sickle cell anemia by receiving a transfusion of umbilical cord blood. At the time, I was still a JW, but this story made me say to myself "thank god that kid's mom isn't a JW".

    I never knew that at one time, that the GB used the exact same line of reasoning that they use to prohibit blood tranfusions, to prohibit vaccinations and organ transplants. (Which I learned on the internet, but, as others have stated, DON'T say that word!)

    Also, the 1975 issue was an eye-opener for me. "Some brothers just got carried away" is the current party line. Total Fred-Franzian bullshit.

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