I'm Pi$$ed

by Elsewhere 34 Replies latest jw friends

  • LuckyLucy
    LuckyLucy

     
    				If you type in "positive thinking" in search...there are pages a
    				pages of sites ..written by phsycologist and doctors.I guess
    				their all just wrong...he he.
    				 
    				 
    				
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    Positive Thinking for Your Health

    by Michael Nudel and Eva Nudel, Ph.D.

    Positive thinking is an effective way to achieve mastery of bio-energy healing. Maintenance of a positive energy level in a healer's own bio-energy field reduces stress and emotional tension in the healer and in others. Positive emotions and feelings and a positive mental attitude can improve the quality of people's lives and heal their bodies of illnesses and stresses.

    On the other hand, negative emotions and feelings bring poisoning toxins to the organism. Strong negative emotions such as anger, spite, envy, jealousy, and fear make the endocrine system accumulate poisons in the blood. Anxiety, depression, and doubt can also cause poisoning of the blood. Passive and lengthy negative emotions are even more dangerous for health than active, sudden and momentary negative emotions. Negative emotions shorten the span of life. Treatment of physical symptoms with positive thoughts and statements was

    popularized in France a century ago, and it still has the power to overcome

    unwanted states (stress, tension, and unhappiness). Thoughts and feelings make up reality

    and add color to it. So, unhappiness brings a gray world and reality. To change a gray

    world and to overcome the feeling of unhappiness, anxiety, or tension, one needs to

    refocus the mind on positive, healing thoughts.

    When people predict that something is going happen to them, it is more likely to

    happen because negative thoughts will be reflected in their unconscious. Moreover,

    there could be developed psychosomatic illnesses (about 70% of all illnesses are

    psychosomatic, or caused by mental stress). Psychosomatic illnesses worsen when given

    special attention. Instead of paying direct attention to pain or illness, every time a

    negative thought occurs, say something like, " It will be better than I think." When a wish

    of any desired condition is established in the mind, somehow the unconscious mind leads

    the wish to realization-not magically, but through mental programming.

    Besides healing illnesses, positive attitudes help one to withstand troubles and

    problems, make correct decisions, and overcome obstacles. Do not focus on negative

    events; try to discover a positive perspective. For example, individuals should

    understand that they need to read more or think more of others in order to find ways of

    perfect communication. Because the thoughts of individuals are either positive or

    negative, they are reflected in their social or asocial behaviors. People should observe and

    conceive the world around them, as well as their inner worlds, with positive perceptions.

    Healers should have "a positive mind state" before they begin practicing bio-energy healing. Healers communicate with other people giving them energy. "Negative" energy cannot bring healing, only damage, and it is destructive for both a healer and a healee. Healing energy is "a positive" energy sent by "a positive mind."

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    Michael Nudel and Eva Nudel, Ph.D. Energy Healing Specialists of Bioenergy System Services, Inc. Authors of how-to-do books "Health by Bio-Energy and Mind" and "21st Century's New Chakra Healing" Visit http://www.bioenergy-services.com for more information and reviews.


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  • Solace
    Solace

    Lucky Lucy, I think you are wrong.

    I also feel that you are a cold, insensitive and unfeeling witch.

    If you really believe what you said, well, I guess you can choose not to be upset by my comment.

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    Well, there is a school of thought out there about positive thinking (excluding manic depression) that can contribute to a healthier mental condition. Any emotion you experience requires a "thought" first. What you think, or how you process the information will be the outcome of a good or bad day......

    Any comments on books written on this subject:

    The Road Less Traveled

    Your Erroneous Zones

  • nakedmvistar
    nakedmvistar

    Lucky lucy is having trouble empathizing....Could be a Frontal Lobe disorder...Hmmm.

  • Jesika
    Jesika

    Elsewhere I am sorry to hear that.

    Lucky Lucy, it is nice that some doctors think "willing yourself or having a positive outlook" is a cure for depression. Well, it may work for some, but those who can't find the positive and need further assistance is another case. I have been in severe depression and have been fighting with it since I was 12. I was in foster care when I was 15 and 16. I was on 4 antidepressants a day and it barely kept me sane. I was in suicide mode. I didn't want to take my life, but I didn't want to live my life anymore. I had just found out I was a victim of every abuse you can name. That is alot for a 15yr old to deal with, on top of being df'd and losing all family and friends I had. All I did was eat, write poetry, and go to school. To think something positive was like asking me to walk on water. Not everyone is built the same and different things help different people. I am not attacking you in any way, but I just wanted to let you and everyone know, there is not cure all.

  • mamashel
    mamashel

    I'm with you elsewhere, until someone actually goes through it and experiences it for them self, then they cannot understand it at all.

    There was another thread that talked about people liking trama and tradegy in their life. You dont have to necessarily like having it, but I responded by saying it was nice to have someone to talk to about it.

    Thanks for sharing

    mamashel

  • xenawarrior
    xenawarrior

    I just want to clarify something. The thread that Crystal linked in her post is mine.

    I want to make it very clear that I do not believe that depression is something that one can "think away". Depression is very real and very incessant and can totally immobilize people. For folks who battle this it is belittling to say some of the things which have been said and I want to make it clear that I do not agree with this.

    The article that I posted was about Emotional Memory Management and I posted it to maybe help folks with some of the very real PTSD stuff. It explains alot about how we remember things. The article also does not say some of the things that have been said here.

    Just want to make sure I'm not being "understood" in a way I don't believe for something I posted that someone else used as and example of something I don't believe in.

    XW

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    ((((Elsewhere)))) I like the idea about maybe making installments in the payback. But even that sucks

  • Scarlet
    Scarlet

    (((((((((Elsewhere))))))) Depression is a very real thing. My Mother-In-Law has deep depression and was very hurt by people in the congergation that told her it was all in her head and to think it away. I guess some of us still CHOOSE to think like the BORG.

    Edited by - Scarlet on 16 September 2002 21:42:59

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Dear Elsewhere... and all... may you have peace... and may I respond?

    It is true that there are some forms of depression that are bio-chemically induced, so that a person may not be able to control the emotions; I have experienced such when dealing with PMS, etc. Also, certain medications, foods, and events tend to make me "feel" depressed, whether I wish to or not, and sometimes the "blues" just have to run their course. I try, however, not to take those who may be around me WITH me into such a "funk", because it's not usually their fault that I am feeling as I am: it's just my flesh and its "nature".

    Other times, it is other's treatment of me, or a perceived "lack" in my life that tends, for a brief moment, to make me "feel", well... sad... (more so that depressed... but some folks interpret sadness as depression; they are not necessarily the same, however). In these cases, my own personal "weapon" is knowing that NO matter how "bad" it gets, I will get through it, over it, past it... whatever... some how... and usually with the help of my Lord (hey, that's who helps ME; whoever helps YOU, well, that's for you to say...). I also always ALLOW myself to consider those who are less fortunate than I (and there are MANY to think of... babies with flies in their eyes/nose living in ditches in Africa or huts in South America; people with physical deformities, etc., who've been exiled/ostracized by their people; the terminally ill, homeless, etc.). In thinking on those things, I tend to be able to see my own "plight" as not SO bad, in comparison, whatever such plight might be, and am able to keep a positive attitude: as long as I'm not dying, or someone I love dearly is not... I CAN get over it. And that is MY way of dealing with such things.

    I wanted to comment, however, that for all of the rally-ers FOR depression, and the "inability" to control it, that is not ALWAYS true. There ARE those folks for whom... and those times when... depression is more of a "woobie"... than a true emotion. Wait! Before you start to "boo" me, let me tell you some things that I think might qualify me to speak on this matter:

    1. I had my first child 3 weeks before my 18th birthday; that should have been depressed, but, hey, it was "life" and I had a family to care for

    2. My mom died on my 18th birthday (of cancer, which I watched for the entire year preceding); that should have been depressing (actually, it was), but I others I had to continue living for and who I could not take into the "dumps" - I grieved... and then got on with life

    3. I was married to a man for almost half my life, who "suffered" from bipolar manic depression, for which medication was prescribed and which he took... or did not take... as he saw fit;

    4. My father dealt with depression through alcohol and died at age 58 - again, I grieved and then got on with life, but it started my daughter (age 11 at the time and VERY close to him; now age 25) into a form of depression that, when perpetuated by my ex's depression, lasted almost 14 years - she has just recently "recovered"... and wrote an essay, which she dedicated to me, to commemorate her recovery;

    5. Because of my "sunshine-y"... "Jesus loves you"... "attitude" (as some tend to describe it), I seem to be a natural magnet for depressed people, and so speak and console many quite a bit.

    6. Thus, for almost three (3) years, I worked directly and indirectly with clinically and otherwise depressed youth, most of whom used drugs and alcohol to "deal" with their illness/emotions;

    Given those... ummmm, facts... I think I can speak just a little bit, so I will.

    What I learned from my ex-husband (surprise regarding the "ex" part, to some of you...), my daughter and many of the "depressed" folks that I have had the privilege of knowing (and I call it a privilege because of the trust I earned from such ones)... is that MANY times, the depression is "natural" in that such ones are SO used to FEELING that way... that feeling DIFFERENT... happy, even... is unfamiliar, and thus, uncomfortable! Un-"natural".

    What I mean is, some folks have been SO unhappy for SO long... for whatever reason... legit or no... that even when things look "bright", they can only see the darkness in it! Why is that? Because at some time or another, when they ALLOWED their outlook to be positive, they were disappointed! And so, they just came to "know" the feeling of depression; it is "familiar", "safe"... comfortable... to them. They KNOW what that feels like! But... to be happy... positive... assured... such feelings are uncommon, unfamiliar, so that when they begin to arise... they are, well, for lack of a better word... sabotaged. Not always purposefully, but many times habitually. It was just the "pattern"... what they were used to.

    Feeling good, then, happy... positive... was something they just could not LEARN (for they had to learn it, as it was no longer "natural" for them). My ex grew up in a VERY unhappy household and never learned to "shake" it, so that eventually it was realized that there was nothing I... me... Shelby... could DO... to make HIM... happy. He would have to find his own happiness, if he could. My daughter, however, learned it. Took her quite a while, but she did so, she said in her essay, by interning in the local mental health hospital, where she worked in the children's ward. Rather than make her MORE depressed (which is what some things CAN do...), the victims of abuse that came through there woke her up: she said that no matter WHAT she had gone through or was going through, it was not as bad as what some of those children had suffered, many of them to be abandoned as well as abused. She decided to use her knowledge of what it felt like to be depressed to relate to these children, but she knew she couldn't help them if she was depressed herself... so... she made a CHOICE.

    Regarding the young people I worked with... some have recovered... some have not. What I found most prevalent with those who did not is that their home environment was not CONDUCIVE to recovery: they LIVED with depressed/depressing people! Who was going to set an example, show them, TEACH them how to be happy/positive? If all they knew was sadness, it was a HABIT. It is what they LEARNED from those around them!

    One of things I was able to share with them... and which many said helped... what that as young people, we have little or no control over our environment! If our parents/caregivers are negative, abusive, neglectful, oppressive, tyrannical, guilt-piling, overly strict, or even overly indulgent... we have NO control over that! We have to pretty much take what we get! However, there does come a time in our lives when WE are in control, when WE control our environment, including the 'atmosphere' of it.

    I certainly had reasons to be depressed, as did my ex, as did my daughter. I CHOSE not to be. My ex did not (okay, could not...), and as a result my daughter also learned HOW to be (I mean, she was gonna pick up one personality or the other, right? And she picked up the most overpowering one, the depressive one...). But after 13 years and a stint at the mental hospital, she chose NOT to be. (My ex is now "depressed"... because he's my ex - LOL! Ah, well! I just couldn't "hang" with "SchlepRock" anymore - life's WAY too short!)

    Anyway, I am not trying to say that there are not legit reasons for depression. I am saying, however, that it can be like smoking - you might want to give it up, and it may be more of a fight for one than for another, but it CAN be done. All one needs do is make a CHOICE... and work with that choice! If that means taking meds... perhaps even staying on meds perpetually... in the instance when meds are necessary (and there are certainly instances when they are!), then one should make a CHOICE... and take one's meds! I mean, a diabetic MUST take his/her medication if he/she doesn't WANT to end up in a coma or with heart, liver or kidney failure, yes? If he/she wishes his/her blood sugars to be relatively stablized? I mean, sure, it won't ALWAYS be stable, but if he/she doesn't even bother to take medication, it most probably won't EVER be, right? In that same regard, one cannot say one does not want to be depressed... and then disregard his/her need to take his/her meds to not BE depressed... CHOOSE not to take his/her medication. See what I mean?

    In that light, then, for some, being depressed... and for others, letting depression overrule one's ability to live life fairly positively... IS a choice... as there are numerous ways to overcome it... from attitude to medication... just as there are numerous ways to quit smoking, doing drugs, drinking, etc. And like those, no one can MAKE us do anything... whether change our attitude OR take our meds... if WE ourselves don't WANT to do it.

    Again, I bid you peace.

    Your servant, who hopes that although I have spoken to you the truth, I am still your "friend"... and a slave of Christ,

    SJ

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