Trying to find an opportunity to discuss the TTATT with my Father. (page 2)

joe134cd

The searcher= This convinces me even more so to be as cautious as a serpent but innocent as a dove. Slightest negative thing and it's immediately apostate lies. I've even sent some JWs news articles on the issues facing the Mormon church and they have refused to read them. I say to them. What's the problem it's the Mormon church. BTW I love the Mormons.

jookbeard

I always try and slip the UN membership in, if they reply that it cant be and that its a rumour started by opposer's etc, I always keep the scan of their membership from the UN on my smartphone, I say the UN would be in a very dodgy predicament legally if they fabricated the WTS membership of it, the very few times I speak with them the astonishment on their faces is comical, then I get the down right denial of it,some say they will go home and research it in their own time,its not a lie its true! just think how many have left because of this scandal?

punkofnice

I know he will never leave it - or I would be surprised if he did.

I don't know how old your old geezer is but sometimes it's just as well to let sleeping dogs lie. My Mum is nearly 80 so I let her be. If I took the delusion away from ther now it would leave her with nothing. I am not that cruel...I just tell her not to giver hte WBT$ her money coz Jar-Hoover will provide for the corporation.

If you think it's worth it then ask questions that cannot be answered without discomfort. Like some above had said about the UN or why the GB are God's mouthpiece on one hand and not on the other hand, when it suits them. Are they God's mouthpiece or not?

Why are they asking for money? Why isn't Jar-Hoover providing in abundance?

Or ask where in the Bible things that the WBT$ command are...beards for one thing. In the Bible...not corporate dress code.

I think that getting JWs to prove things from the Bible is always interesting because one hopes it exposes the WBT$ for the big business it is as opposed to being a genuine religion.

DesirousOfChange

The only way I have successfully introduced TTATT to anyone without raising suspicion and getting them to really think about it is to bring up the subject as if a coworker, schoolmate, or other non-JW posed the question to you. It still usually takes some personal experience, or so I'm told, but I think if you can keep dropping little things like this they eventually add up.

Yep! That's the only "safe" was to say something negative.

And the reality is that is how my exit began -- via a "Bible Student" that asked me all the hard questions.

Doc

steve2

Your Dad's happy in it so why try to wake him up to TTATT?

dozy

Maybe it's just me , but I think people in their 60's or older who are comfortable as JWs ( or indeed , any religion ) are probably best just left to live out the rest of their lives in their delusions. I remember having some discussions with my own parents (mid 70's ) and they began to realise the implications that what they had believed all their lives could be false and became really upset and defensive so I just decided to leave them to it.

Anyway - it's very difficult to reason with any JW - the "apostate radar" comes up and immediately they ask "who told you that" or "where did you read that - the internet?".

sowhatnow

Im not too keen on trying to wake my mom up, i need all the help with her that will hopefully come her way,lol

shes so unreasonable and cannot make heads or tails of anything said, that i have not let her drag me into what basically turns to me defending my right to use my brain, and nothing more. it just goes around in circles.

now if you and your father have an awesom close relationship and you have known him t oopenly question things in the past, and hes a man who has read things outside the org, like ANY real news magazines or documentaries. you might be able to slip in a comment every now and then

but ask yourself this, as I did.

what is your desired result? will it improve his situation or yours, or the families? or is it simply for the purpose of him knowing what you now know? is he financially secure, and can survive in the old way till he passes? if so you might not really benefit.

my mom knowing what I know would not change her one bit, shes still opinionated, think shes right about everything, does what she wants how she wants, and can live in a world with no other books accept the ones the watchtower wrote and thinks it equals a college education! lol. and she would suddenly not have anything to look forward to Sunday morning and Thursday night. she would loose what little social life she has now,[my sister already suffers from 'too much mom'] and shes in her early 70's her health is starting to suffer, and within ten years, she will be needing help, and me, I plan to be too busy making up the last freaking 40 years of my lost life to be driving her to the kin dum hall .

Trying to find an opportunity to discuss the TTATT with my Father.