The Key to Understanding Scripture

by Zechariah 28 Replies latest jw friends

  • Zechariah
    Zechariah

    The following is a repost of a April 2001 post on H2O.

    The key to properly understanding the Bible is remembering that it is all about the spirit. Whatever is spoken of in the Bible no matter how literal it appears to be is intended to convey something of the spirit. The intention of the creator in inspiring the Bible is to relate to them the true facts of their lives. These facts include the most incomprehensible reality of our created origin as well as our divine spirit nature in the image of and as sons of God. We also must accept on faith that the realities of life are stranger than fiction. The awesome truth although the Bible is very limited about what it says about it is that just like mankind designed, manufactured, tested, and perfected computers, TV, radio, and the internet, God made
    us.

    The object lesson of humans as Gods Little Computer People gives us some focus on some of the deepest mysteries of life. Humans are PAC men (Planned and created) Man, They are interactive players in a game called life. To humans from their very limited perspective the game is extremely serious as they perceive the earthly life as all there is. They are not understanding or believing that just like man can restart and give new lives to it computer people God has just that much control and commitment over the lives of men. This gives justification and support to concept of reincarnation. Certainly man as a soul is an actor on the stage of life.

    The soul can be defined as spirit related to the flesh. This is differentiated from the divine spirit inheritance which makes men in the image of God. Man is royalty, sons of the true God, kin to the angels. They have been assigned to the earth to rule over the earth. Christ attempted to educate men of this awesome truth which includes returning to their original home (heaven) when they die physically.

    He in the course of his eternity long career plays many roles and builds his reputation, qualifications and drawing power to be used in greater ways in the staging of what we call real life dramas. From actors they become spirit variety teachers, producers , directors, costume designers, set makers, etc. Certainly there are far more things that in the realm of the spirit as there is in the world of flesh. This strange but true reality when meditated upon clearly makes the point that nothing in life is totally coincidence. Just as all seeming intelligence of a computer program is at most artificial so is every action of man. Every action or thought is inspired of by the spirit of God if it is good and proper or from an opposing spirit which is unbeneficial. Man has interactive play in the game of life.

    The following old posting emphasizes how all things of scripture are about the spirit.

    THEN AND NOW

    I used to believe as I was taught by Jehovah's Witnesses the soul is totally synonymous with all that man is. It was taught me it included the body which and is subject to death when the body dies for they are one and the same. Several scriptures literally and loosely interpreted are offered by JWs in support of their definition of a soul. The scripture stating how man was created tells us God blew into his nostrils and man became a living soul. I was taught that we must imply that from this statement that a soul is the entirety of a man which includes his body (false assumption). This is combined with the scripture that says that the soul that sins it itself wll die. I was taught that this proves that because the soul has been determined to be the body that the soul dies when does the body.

    I now believe what I inherently know to be the truth. A person's body is not at all themselves. Their bodys are just their vehicles to carry them through this human existence. The soul in actuality is a part of a physical person that cannot be seen. It is their spiritual essence that is not subject to death at the same time man is. So to reinterpret the scripture stating the soul that sins shall die we must make note of the fact that a persons body, a thing and not a person is incapable of sinning. Only our spiritual selves can. It is for certain we are spiritual creatures physically embodied. Another scripture says "do not be afraid of he that can just destroy the body but fear him that can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna (hell). Clearly this is proof the soul or the person survives inherently the physical death of the body. The death of the soul being spoken of due to sin is not referring to physical death at all. That death is spiritual death allowing us to understand that by saying men are inherently everlasting for their souls continue past physical death does not mean it is being said they are immortal. Immortality implies one is incapable of dying. The bible assures us that God has the power to destroy the everlasting souls he created on the grounds of sin (???). All statements and physical occurences that have occurred in the lives of biblical characters are not intended to teach us anything of a physical nature but are object lessons meant to teach us how to live spiritual lives in or out of the flesh. Animals being souls would imply that they too have inherently everlasting spiritual lives. After physical death or seperation the soul can go to one of two places. They are:

    Heaven- heaven is not a physical place seperated from us by physical distance. It is a different dimension of life which occupies the same physical space. It is a spiritual condition. At death as in sleep or out of body experiences the long journey in spirit can be made.

    Hell is also not a place as JWs have described it. They say hell is the common grave of mankind. Hell is not a place but a spiritual condition where one is in darkness completely seperated from God. It is a condition that Jesus Christ voluntarily agreed to be subject to and so for three days was in hell. God could not help him during that time that began even prior to his physical death. They never could have killed Jesus unless God had abandoned him. This is the very reason Jesus cried out at his death, Father ..Why have you foresaken me? A complete darkness encmpass the place of Jesus death at high noon because God could not have people look upon his son as he gave up his life. Jesus returning to his fathers right hand at the end of this time spent in hell required a rebirth of spirit making Christ the first person ever to be reborn. The descriptions of hell as a place of fiery torment only can be interpreted in a spiritual sense. Somehow a everlasting soul that is abandoned by God will experience in some spiritual sense tormenting conditions of such magnitude. A lifetime without love and beauty would in my estimation be intolerable making anyone in that situation desirous of death but yet not being able to die. Everlasting torment.

    The battle of Armageddon is a spiritual battle good against evil in which victory is destined for good. Bible prophecies in reference to Bible lands were to foretell of spiritual events in this the last days.

     Assyria

    Tyre Judah Babylon

    Egypt

    The land of Assyria represents dependence on human might. 

    Babylon represents dependence on religion.

    Egypt represents dependence on human wisdom.

    Tyre represents dependence on wealth.

    Judah in the center represents all whose hearts are right with God
    (Jews).


    All biblical history was to foretell of things to be fulfilled in its spiritual context. All spiritual lands that plagued Israel and who drew Gods people from God will be destroyed. There was no intent to predict any other physical fulfillment of Bible prophecy but instead its more important spiritual fulfillment to take place in the final part of the days.

    The battle of Armageddon likewise is a spiritual battle good against evil in which good is to win out. This is all with the aid of Christ and his spiritual army. Never was it being predicted despite the prophecys use of literal terms that it be in any way a physical war with physical casualties. Just as the Bible encourages that Christians warfare should not be against flesh and blood but against evil spirit forces. Certainly Gods war will be no less directed towards destroying the evil spirits that capture his people so that no man has to die but be turned around. When seen in this context we are aware that the battle of Armageddon is already ongoing for a longtime as Christ spirit is slowly taking over in the earth and submitting nations to his kingdoms subjective control.

    In this post is a composite of my personal philosophies of life as I have been inspired to understand them. I have tested these inspired utterances and found them to be from God (true). I invite you to test them for yourselves.

    Zechariah

  • Double Edge
    Double Edge

    Excellent post...very thought provoking. Thanks for verbalizing a lot of my beliefs.

  • Realist
    Realist

    interesting post. your interpretation certainly makes much more sense than the WT interpretaion. just 2 questions:

    a) what indicates that spirits exist? from a scientific standpoint their existence is highly unlikely. b) why would the writers of the bible have put everything in the form of rediculous stories instead of just saying what they meant?

  • Zechariah
    Zechariah

    Reply to: Realist

    a) what indicates that spirits exist? from a scientific standpoint their existence is highly unlikely. Please await my post on Belief for a more detailed answer. Simply your premise that there is no scientifc evidence for the existence of God is a biased one.

    Those who speak about being realistic as your name indicates you are iclined to do are really saying be pessimistic, doubtful or a unbeliever.

    For anyone willing to believe in the existence of spirits and God there is nothing but evidence for their existence. I have analogized man as Gods Little Computer People.
    All things physical is te hardware and all things invisible are te software telling the hardware what to do and when to do it. Life requires this interaction between the physical and spiritual to be alive.

    God blew into his nostrils the breath of life (spirit) and man became a living (alive) soul (spirit) [physically embodied]. Willingness to believe is the key to ones perception of what is happiness. Men of science in the majority believe in God aand things of the spirit.

    Men such as Albert Einstein and Sir Isaac Newton. Recogition of the existence of invisible forces is what is responsible for the conception of formulas for laws of physics and time and relativity.

    These are all spiritual things. The evidence is overwhelming if we are at all are willing to see it.
    There are spirit forces behind everything that happens in life including events, thoughts, feelings, etc. There wlll be a post specifically on spirit things as software or programming behind all things in life.

    b) why would the writers of the
    bible have put everything in the form of rediculous stories instead of just saying what they meant?

    Again your statement is biased towards pessimism. This time it is in your view of the way the Bible was written. If we are at all willing to let God be found true we will be able to find good reasons for the way the Bible was written.

    Consider the fact as many bible prophets attest to they did not know what they were prophecying of. It was not to be understood until the time of its significant fulfillment.

    They truly were inspired by a higher source. Also there was no way for men to understand the spiritual significance without the object lessons provided by a physical example literally accurate or not.

    Zechariah

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Greetings, Zechariah...

    I am compelled by the Spirit of God that is in me, holy spirit, by means of my Lord, the Son of God, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, to comment on your statement that, "The key to properly understanding the Bible is remembering that it is all about the spirit," and say that while indeed, the "things" focused on after 30 CE and up until are indeed "about the spirit," the KEY to properly understanding the Bible... and all other things 'written' with regard to Israel, is my Lord, the Son of God, whose name is JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, as well as the spirit of God, which such One "poured out", HOLY SPIRIT. And proof of this is found in the words of the Master, as recorded at John 5:39, 40, which say:

    "You are searching the scriptures... because you THINK... that by means of THEM... you will have everlasting life. And these [the scriptures] are the VERY ones that bear witness... about ME [my Lord, the Son of God, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH]... and YET... YOU... do no WANT to COME... to ME... that you may have life... AND have it in abundance."

    These are very important words, Zechariah, as they indicate the SOURCE to which we must "go" if we want to KNOW the TRUTH... about the Bible, religion, this world, who we are, where we hail from, why we are here, etc., etc., etc... for that Source... IS the Truth (John 14:6) and speaks ONLY the truth, as Proverbs 8:7-9 says: "For MY palate... [that of my Lord, the Son of God, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH] in LOW TONES... utters TRUTH itself; and wickedness is something detestable to MY lips. ALL the sayings of MY mouth are in righteousness. Among them there is NOTHING twisted or crooked. ALL of them are straight... to the DISCERNING one... and upright... to the ones FINDING knowledge."

    We can "search" the scriptures and read the Bible front to back, cover to cover, again and again. We can even have others tell us what means what. However, we will not be in a position to KNOW THE TRUTH... which Truth will himself SET US FREE... so that we can KNOW GOD... the KNOWING of both of which will MEAN for us "everlasting life"... until we "Come!" to the One who offers it to us! Matthew 11:28 John 6:37, 38

    It's not rocket science, Zechariah, and those of us who know this are OBLIGATED to share such simple information with ANY who are wishing, thirsting and hearing. What information? That we can read the Bible all day long, and we can come to ALL kinds of conclusions as to what such and such means and so-and-so meant, but if we TRULY wish to know the TRUTH... about what was written, why it was written, who it was written by, and what its writing was meant to convey... and if we TRULY want to KNOW GOD... then truly, the only "key" is THE HOLY SPIRIT... the spirit of my Lord, the Son of God, who IS the 'life-giving spirit"... who will teach us ALL things. Truly, there is NO other "Way". (John 14:1-14)

    What you have written above, then, is true... to some extent... but consists of a great deal of rhetoric. My Lord, then, directs me to admonish you to cease from such rhetoric... to remember HIM... to glorify HIM... to repent of your former blasphemy... and "return" to the One that bought you... with his life... the Truth... that can set even you free. For God shows mercy to WHOMEVER He wishes to show it.

    John 8:32, 36

    Thus, while the flesh is indeed "of NO use," so, too, the spirit has no use if it has not been 'set free'. As long as it is "enslaved,"... then it has no "power."

    May you have ears... to hear what the Spirit yet says to you.

    I, myself, SJ, have spoken it to you, my brother, just as I have heard it and been directed to do from my Lord and Master, JAHESHUA MISCHJAH, the Son... and Word... of the Holy One of Israel, whose name is JAH... of Armies,

    SJ

    Edited by - AGuest on 18 September 2002 23:29:37

  • DJ
    DJ

    Hi AGuest,

    I completely agree with everything you said. I mean that's what I did and still do. I searched and searched and poured out my guts day and night for several years trying to learn the truth! It was only when I read John 5:39-40 when I realized what I was doing wrong. Yikes, it was like those verses were there for me! I still had WT fears and I was unable to talk to Jesus...I thought a demon would get me! Then I was struck by Matt 11:28 and I cried tears of joy and pain for not believing. Only then......... after I asked Jesus to forgive me for my unbelief and accepted his forgiveness (hard for me) and asked the guidance of the holyspirit.......only then...did I finally stop relying on myself for wisdom. I have been spoon fed like a babe ever since! Praise Jah!!!!!!! love, dj Hallelujah!!!

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    : The key to properly understanding the Bible is remembering that it is all about the spirit.

    The key to properly understanding the Bible is to test it against facts vis a vis its claims. Since it cannot stand up that most most basic of scrutinies, it cannot be trusted to be what it claims to be.

    Simple. All the other excusogetics are bullshit and a waste of any sane person's time.

    Farkel

    Edited by - Farkel on 19 September 2002 0:11:8

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    My dearest sister in Christ, DJ... may you have peace!

    And, as a part of the Bride of Christ... to time indefinite... may I say to you:

    YES, PRAISE JAH! Indeed, let every living thing, let every living BREATHING thing... let it PRAISE JAH... and may ALL praise be due to His most high name!

    And may the undeserved kindness and mercy of my God and Father, our God and Father, the Holy One of Israel, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, whose most holy name IS... JAH... of Armies... and the peace of His Son and Christ, my Lord, our Lord... JAHESHUA ("JAH Saves") MISCHAJAH ("Chosen/Anointed of JAH") be upon you... you and your entire household... if you so wish it... to time indefinite!

    Your servant, sister and fellow slave of Christ, to time indefinite,

    SJ

    Edited by - AGuest on 19 September 2002 0:22:6

  • Zechariah
    Zechariah

    Aguest,

    I think you really need to chill. I dont see how you could possibly have concluded I think Gods spirit is the teacher as I have relied upon it greatly for wisdom and understanding. What I have described as the key to understanding is just a way of focusing on what the Holy Spirit inspires to understand about the purpose the scriptures were written.

    If anybody needs cautioning on their blasphemous rhetoric it is you. Is it not you that presumptuously implies that the impartial God and creator of us all has a special relationship with you wherein you claim him uniquely as your God. You imply that we all need to fear your pronouncements in his name.

    It is a name that you imply that only you know and who's voice you are the only one who HEARS. Your problem is exactly what I indicated in my post. You fail to look at things spiritually. If you did you would understand that the hearing as well as sight christians have is not physical but spiritual.

    You need to address yourself to someone who cares. I have my own personal (not special) relationship with the creator and realize that he has no hangups of what name we formally call him.

    The Bible prophecied that in these the last days all people will come to know Gods name. If as my post suggests one thinks spiritually on this they will realize that it simply suggests that all will become aware they are creation and God is the Creator of us all. The creator is the creator by any other name. Says he: "I am that I am".

    You need to save your divine proclamations and warnings on someone who cares. I know you dont speak for God anymore than the Governing Body of the WTS. They never scared me and certainly you dont. I shared with honest intent my opinions and inspirations. It up to everyone to test them for theirselves to see if their from God (true). I've tested for myself in moments your inspired utterances and determined them not to be from God (true). I have great love for God and my fellowman. Therefore I am a righteous man.

    Zechariah

  • Zechariah
    Zechariah
    : The key to properly understanding the Bible is remembering that it is all about the spirit. The key to properly understanding the Bible is to test it against facts vis a vis its claims. Since it cannot stand up that most most basic of scrutinies, it cannot be trustedto be what it claims to be. Simple. All the other excusogetics are bullshit and a waste of any sane person's time. Farkel

    Your need to be condescending, superior, and insulting ruins your credibility on anything else you say.

    Zechariah

    Edited by - zechariah on 19 September 2002 1:31:15

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