Elder removed because of son's mistake...more BS

by LyinEyes 18 Replies latest jw friends

  • LyinEyes
    LyinEyes

    Wild Turkey ran into an elder he knows in business and the brother didnt know about us D/A ourselves. Which is shocking to me, since there is so much gossip always going on, now I am sure everyone who doesnt know soon will.

    Anyway, this brother has been an elder for many years, and he told my husband that he was removed because his son, who is a senior in high school was publicly reproved. I think this is very sad , only because of more of their polices and backward ways of thinking. This elder had worked hard to be where he was, and because his almost grown son makes a mistake, the kid was reproved so he must still be trying to do right to a degree or he would have been d/f , right? Why are children of elders, responsible for their fathers having to step down? That is a heavy burden to put on a kid. I know they say if the father was doing all he was SUPPOSED to be doing as head of the house his kid wouldnt be in trouble. We all know that is bullcrap. A parent can not force his child , almost a man here , to do exactly what he says, no matter how good the father tried. I think it is just another way to embrass and humiliate them. And it scares others into not telling if they get in trouble. I mean if I got in trouble , and I did, I would have never told my elder dad, for that very fear. He would have killed me for one thing, (beat me senseless) and I would be reminded everyday of what a disgrace I was, how I let him down, and how he lost the precious privledge he had, all because of a mistake I made.

    This is just not right , this is another way they are destroying families and by publically humiliating this boy is so wrong to me.

    The WT is a painful place to be. I just heard that a sister I have known since I was a little girl, tried to kill herself last night. She is now ok and with her daughter, for now. She was one who could never do enough for Jehovah, what a burden she must have been feeling.

    It is things like this that I want to stand up and say how wrong they are for their silly rules and regulations. They may think they are controlling the flock, but they are killing them. Killing them in spirit and sometimes they totally break a persons spirit and then worse happens.

    I am just angry that WT has power and control they do over people who are trying to serve God. I know not all JW's are evil and trying to get power in the congregation, the worst victims are the children and the lowly publisher. This is the main reason I hope the WT loses their so called "God Given Authority".

  • Mary
    Mary

    "....They may think they are controlling the flock, but they are killing them. Killing them in spirit and sometimes they totally break a persons spirit and then worse happens....."

    Lyin' Eyes, they just don't care. Their behaviour reminds me more and more of the planters in the Old South and the way they treated their slaves: slaves weren't allowed to read or write or have any thoughts or opinions of their own. Those few who were actually allowed (out of necessity) to read and write, they could only do so with the masters' permission and even then they were viewed with suspicion and were called "uppity niggers" for "forgetting their place and getting above themselves"........sounds kinda like "running ahead of the Organization", eh?

    Any slave caught with "independent thinking" (like maybe running away) was severely punished and if they actually DID manage to escape, if caught, they were killed as an example to any other slave considering trying to leave.

    Same thing happens in the Organization: if you even THINK of leaving, or of questioning the beliefs (no matter how dumb they might be), you'll be punished mentally and spiritually. And if you actually DO manage to escape, you'll be spiritually killed as an example to anyone else in the congregation considering trying to leave.

    Edited by - Mary on 19 September 2002 17:57:34

  • Francois
    Francois

    The Governing Body has met the enemy and it is them.

    I don't believe I've seen such an uninterrupted course of determined self-destruction since Richard Nixon. It's as if the GB really does believe their own press releases about being God's channel of communication.

    But they're not important enough on the world stage to go out with a bang; they're going to go out with a whimper, like the old Ayatollah wazzizname. I just hope it's soon, before they have a chance to fuck up move lives.

    francois

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    It too depends on who you are. A well known family in our area has had their kids screw up big time and the fathers still were retained as elders, then I have seen other lesser elder/fathers get it because of their kids.

    As an elder, the only case I sat on (related to this issue), I refused to go along with removing our PO because this son messed up. You can be a good father and still have a Esau or a Jacob as a son!

    Edited by - thichi on 19 September 2002 18:38:57

  • devils_chiefadvocate
    devils_chiefadvocate

    Its is a sick the way those things work in the borg..and it is amazing the things u can get away with depending on who your parents are in the hall also...Its submission by fear...not from respect..

    Mary..Am sorry but were u in an ol plantation?..It really upsets me when folks start on that because like everything else because some plantations were that way,they all were...its judging them just as the borg judges all that leave as apostates and evil...For the most part we are all good people who have just seen the men behind the curtain..

  • devils_chiefadvocate
    devils_chiefadvocate

    ThiChi..Thats exactlly what I have seen

  • Kenneson
    Kenneson

    The Watchtower Society, on this issue, as in several others, is following the Apostle Paul. See 1 Tim. 2:4-5

  • Pathofthorns
    Pathofthorns

    It's funny u know... if nothing happened then a certain crowd would say the father was not exemplary and could not handle his own household... Then if he is removed, another crowd says his son was a free person and it had nothing to do with the father.

    What it comes down to is that elder bodies do what they wish to do. In some areas they do one thing, and in others they do something else. Bottom line is the WT does what it wishes to whenever it wants and everyone is expendable.

    Perhaps what happened to this elder will be the greatest thing that ever happened to him. He got a dose of the WT's unfair justice and it might make him think.

    Path

  • Makena1
    Makena1

    Hello! You wrote: . I know they say if the father was doing all he was SUPPOSED to be doing as head of the house his kid wouldnt be in trouble. We all know that is bullcrap. A parent can not force his child , almost a man here , to do exactly what he says, no matter how good the father tried

    I certainly not the first one to think or write this - but using the above scenario, God is unfit to rule the universe. What better father could there be than the Creator - and yet if we believe the Genesis and Job accounts - some of his perfect creation rebelled.

    In the case of the congregation - it's all a judgment call by imperfect men subject to politics, egos and playing favorites. When my brother was DF'd as a teen for the 2nd time, and for various reasons needed to return home to live with my parents - the elders told my father, who was the PO at the time that having my brother under his roof was bringing reproach on the congregation and on his good reputation. My dad basically told them to mind their own business, and they backed off. In other instances, elders with less "clout" would have been removed or buckled under to what the BO dictated.

    So thankful to have put this non-sense behind me!

    Mak

  • devils_chiefadvocate
    devils_chiefadvocate

    I think u are right Pathofthorns..

    Kenneson....didnt follow ya there??

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