NEWS ALERT-VICKI BOER TRIAL/Canadian Press/Sep 23

by hawkaw 14 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

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  hawkaw

  Well done H E.

  This should help a lot understand.

  hawk
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  waiting

  Thank you HA& HE for the excellent information.

  Judge asked: What is WTS's fiduciary relationship with Vicki?

  Mr. Mark answered:

  • she did as she was told - she acctepted this as it was taught to her from her youth-she relied on them
  • she was brought up to believe that the curch is what counted and that the world
  • would be rejected by God

  This is when the Judge asked: "Does everything a church does to a person make them responsible for the damage? If one is willing to go through it, how is it their responsibility?"

  Mr. Mark answered with an example of the WTS's responsibility in the effects of their punishment as in the Moyle case in Rutherford's time. The WTS had to pay damages for their actions.

  From the past reading I've done - it's been extremely hard to prove a fiduciary trust between elders & followers or between the WTBTS and followers. If it can be accepted in this case.....the fallout will be interesting - I don't think that door's been opened before this.

  I was in a court case not too long ago. Completely frustrating - perhaps it's universal that the lawyer never thinks exactly as we want him to think?

  I know a couple of good (even excellent) lawyers. When I've talked about the WTBTS - they just can't comprehend the jw mind. A situation was run by a strick Jewish lawyer......and he understood exactly what the fiduciary trust was between the WTBTS and it's followers. But proving it - now that's another thing.

  Thanks again.

  waiting

  Edited by - waiting on 24 September 2002 16:9:35
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  Had Enough

  Thank you waiting and hawk for your remarks.

  My thoughts were that using the WTS's own literature may have made it clearer for the Judge to see where fiduciary trust begins. Those raised as JWs and converts, have no other input but that of the constant barrage of what we are expected to do to show our loyalty to God and its made very clear in black and white in their literature that we are expected to obey the elders and the GB through the pages of the literature.

  However, I don't know of anything other than Dr. Penton's and Barbara Anderson's reports were entered as evidence, but hopefully they will be able to make that relationship clearer to the Judge.

  Had Enough
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  expatbrit

  Had Enough:

  Thanks for giving that excellent summary of yesterday. Thanks also for raising my spirits on the phone earlier!

  Waiting said:

  From the past reading I've done - it's been extremely hard to prove a fiduciary trust between elders & followers or between the WTBTS and followers. If it can be accepted in this case.....the fallout will be interesting - I don't think that door's been opened before this.

  This is bang on target, and the real crux of this case in relation to the big picture. IMO, I think it is why the WT has been so aggressive about settling out of court with gag orders. They know that if just one case establishes fiduciary trust, they will have an avalanche of claims to deal with. Thus, they have to keep winning cases just to maintain the status quo, but victims just need to win one to open that door.

  Hawkaw: Sorry for not returning your call today, it's been one of those days, and a brief call with Had Enough was all I could manage. I'll call you tomorrow.

  Expatbrit
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  hawkaw

  No problem big guy ....

  Hey does anyone know if Quotes or someone else was at the court house today?

  hawk