What is the goal of the silentlambs organization?

by kenpodragon 35 Replies latest jw friends

  • Pistoff
    Pistoff

    cellomould wrote:

    "Most definitely, JWs should be encouraged to confront the accused person first"

    This is NOT a good idea, or even required by law or scripture. The counsel to go to your brother first is not even applied by the WT to criminal behavior normally, though now they are using it as a copout response to the light shining on their wrongheaded sex abuse policy.

    If you are the victim of criminal behavior at the hands of anyone, witness or not, you should go to the police. It is ridiculous to think that a child should have to go to face their abuser and accuse them of a crime; this is the torturous policy of the elders!!

  • kenpodragon
    kenpodragon

    Should the Watchtower allow DNA evidence in judicial meetings. I think so, it is used in rape court cases. What do you think?

    Just wondering

    Dragon

  • outnfree
    outnfree

    Hey, Dragon!

    I don't think you're wrong to ask tough questions.

    I, personally support Silentlambs. I support its work to help JW victims of abuse by

    a) actually understanding the dynamics of the JW organization;

    b) directing them to help lines, attorneys, etc.;

    c) validating their experiences by

    ....1 listening to and believing their stories of abuse; and

    ....2 allowing them a voice, which for many abuse survivors, is important. There are many going to Brooklyn this week precisely because it will help them heal to come out publicly telling the WT and any in the world who pay heed "This DID happen to me as a member of the congregation, BY a congregation member. The Society needs to RECOGNIZE that there are crimes being committed by their membership and something MUST BE DONE TO PREVENT THIS HAPPENING TO ANYONE ELSE!" (Read: "more little children.")

    What I would like to see happen as an effect of the Silentlambs protest movement is that the Society

    1. Instruct its members that they should go straight to the police when an allegation of child abuse arises so that a proper investigation can ensue. The elders could accompany the accused or the victim to the police station, WHETHER OR NOT IT IS A LEGALLY MANDATED REPORTING STATE/PROVINCE/COUNTRY FOR "CLERGY". (The ethical thing to do in response to an allegation of child abuse is to make sure that future victims of the alleged molester are not at risk by one's failure to act to protect.)

    2. Instruct its elders to ADVISE its members that the police must be informed IMMEDIATELY, whether the congregant bringing the matter to the elders' attention is the victim or the abuser. Alleged abusers should be encouraged not to lie and to turn themselves in to the police whether or not they have admitted the crime to the elders.

    3. If the abuser DOES confess to the crime, the organization's policy should be to warn the congregation of the dangers posed by the abuser via a Service Meeting Announcement. It could simply be stated "Brother/Sister So-and-So has turned her/himself into the police for further investigation as a result of a charge of child molestation against him/her." The facts. No conjecture, no embellishment, just that the matter is now in Caesar's hands as good Witnesses are to be in subjection to the authories placed in their relative positions by God..

    4. If the abuser has confessed to the crime, s/he must not be allowed any privileges in the congregation nor allowed to go house-to-house in the ministry. Letter writing and/or telephone witnessing will help the abuser fulfill her/his obligation to "preach the good news" while he/she awaits the outcome of the secular trial.

    5. If the abuser is convicted of the crime ... well, this gets sticky for me. I HATE the shunning that goes along with disfellowshipping, so I hate to recommend expulsion from the JW community as a punishment from the abuser's spiritual community. However, official expulsion WITHOUT THE SHUNNING might be an option. The abuser will likely be doing jail time, anyway, if convicted. Yet, I think family and friends need not be prevented by WT rules from having any contact at all with the abuser. (That would be a matter of conscience: WOULD they, COULD they want to associate with such a despicable criminal?) Official expulsion would also be announced from the platform in a matter of fact way.

    6. The victim/accuser of the Brother/Sister should be supported 100% and not prevented from speaking about the abuse when he or she chooses and to whom he or she chooses. Victims of sexual molestation often need to talk about the trauma in order to heal (as one of the WT's very own early articles opined). S/he should feel free to talk publicly about the criminal investigation which is under way (as long at his/her attorney didn't advise otherwise) AND feel free to consult a psychologist and/or psychiatrist for care and treatment WITHOUT incurring a Society guilt-trip for going to 'the world' for help. The victim should NOT have to CONFRONT his/her molestor NOR to DESCRIBE IN DETAIL the assault to the elders.

    Hmmmmm.... did I leave anything out? Probably. It's late.

    As you can see, I'd go further than Bill Bowen's simple three requests. But that's just me.

    Now, I would also like to see the WT exposed for their ludicrous "we don't eat blood just most of its various components -- separately" stance, their mistaken prophecies/chronologies, and the devastating consequences of the enforced shunning not only of wrongdoers, but of "those who have simply left the faith".

    I, personally, began my exodus when the "generation" teaching I had cut my teeth on as a Witness went out the window and I realized that the Governing Body had no direct pipeline to God at all. It was a shocking realization, let me tell you! False prophets is what they are, deceitful, too, and with dangerous policies. So if they tumbled, that would be nice.

    But the silentlambs thing? That's for the (((((((survivors)))))) and a preventative. At least, one can hope.

    out

    Edited by - outnfree on 26 September 2002 2:59:52

  • kenpodragon
    kenpodragon

    outnfree

    I commend you highly for the a great thought out answer that hit the points I wanted. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is what I wanted to hear.

    Take Care

    Dragon

  • outnfree
    outnfree

    "night, night, Dragon!"

  • kenpodragon
    kenpodragon

    Good night too, and thanks for ending this on a positive.

    Dragon

  • Pepper
    Pepper

    The Watchtower organizations pampas attitude towards their handling child abuse victim's legal rights, staggers my imagination, in that they by and large have no empathy concerning the child, only what seems to be their image. To any reasonable person their actions are disgusting and shows a high mindedness of biblical proportions. Pepper

  • Pathofthorns
    Pathofthorns

    I think there are objectives that can be publicly stated and I think there are objectives that one needs to read between the lines. The reality is that Silentlambs means different things to the different persons supporting it. So it is wise of Bill to make public statements that encompass the common objectives of everyone while leaving their private agendas to themselves. As far as "harsh responses" to honest questions, I can only say Bill has mellowed alot (smile).

    Path

  • Perry
    Perry

    I think an important point about the continued existence ot the WT is being overlooked. The central doctrine of the religion is that they are God's sole spokeman on eatrh. Any admission or apology as to the unrighteousness of their official policies is a direct threat to their central doctrine. I never see an apology coming but I do see financial compensation being awarded to victums.

    However, this will be spun as an attack from Satan as foretold. Any policy changes will be spun as "new light". Any other position will undermine their assertion that they alone speak for God, and this is the one perception that they must protect as all costs.

  • minimus
    minimus

    Kenpodragon, I like your question (but you should assume that I like all questions..ha ha ). In talking to other JW's on their way out and who plan on going to NYC, there seems to be much confusion over exactly what silentlambs is about. Your question got the necessary feedback and Bill gave you the official answer. Personally, I think he has to lighten up a bit.

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