Nation of Pedophiles

by Satanus 11 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

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  Satanus

  I did some research on what the marriageable age was for girls in ancient, biblical israel. It turns out it was around the age 12 or 13, although an old man could reserve them from a much younger age, by having them betrothed to him. Twelve or 13 was the age puberty started for them. In other words, jehovah's chosen people, his name people were mostly made up of pedophiles.

  Here is a quote from bible gateway on the pedo patriarch called isaac:

  Genesis 24:16-20

  The Bible Gateway

  This story belies the idea that women of Abraham's time were not allowed to speak to men or constantly went about with a veil over their faces. Rebekah didn't hesitate to speak to Abraham's servant, but she spoke to him with respect and was eager to help him with his camels despite the crowd of men who were probably with him.

  As an aside, she was also much younger than Isaac. He was apparently approaching middle age at this time while she was still a girl, barely of marriageable age.

  http://carper.freeservers.com/patriarchy/genesis1-25.htm

  The wt also admits this fact

  *** it-1 727-8 Engagement ***
  With respect to the age of engagement, no restrictions are pronounced in the Bible. In Middle Eastern lands today marriage often takes place after the bride reaches the age of 16 and occasionally when she is younger. Talmudists forbade marriage in the case of a male who was under 13 years and one day, and in the case of a female who was under 12 years and one day.

  There generally was not a prolonged interval of years between engagement and marriage, although there could be times when an interval was needed so that the groom might pay the stipulated price or render the desired service.

  *** it-1 61 Ahaz ***
  Whereas puberty in males is usually reached between the ages of 12 and 15 in temperate climates, it may come earlier in warmer climates. Marriage customs also vary. Zeitschrift fr Semitistik und verwandte Gebiete (edited by E. Littmann, Leipzig, 1927, Vol. 5, p. 132) reported that child marriage is frequent in the Promised Land even in modern times, one case being cited of two brothers aged 8 and 12 who were married, the wife of the older attending school with her husband.

  Wt/bible apologists wil claim that times and people were different than than we are now. Certainly a truer statement was never made. Men back then had almost no concept of women having any say in anything, especially teens and preteens. While young girls back then grew up knowing what to expect, they still were far from emotionally mature, as puberty was just starting for them. Yet, those are the men on whose writings jw's and to quite an extent christians base their lives and their faith.

  I would conclude that we, in the western world have higher standards of personal, practical morality than did the ot jews.

  SS

  Edited by - saintsatan on 27 September 2002 19:33:40
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  UnDisfellowshipped

  I haven't ever really researched or studied about how young the Jewish women (or girls) were when they got married.

  I will definitely do some research on this.

  I do want to clarify though, that INCEST and RAPE were definitely against the Jews' Law.
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  larc

  SS,

  I have a slightly different take on this. In rural and primative societies, the children grew up quickly. They were taught to contribute to the family work activities at a very early age. When they hit puberty they were more self sufficient and mature than our children today. They were ready for marriage and family responibilities as at a much younger age.

  One hundred years ago, the U.S. was primarily a rural society, and people married at a much younger age than they do today.

  With all of that said, I think that a major problem in all societies, is that rich, and/or powerful, older men can marry or have sex with much younger women against their will.
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  willy_think

  The age of adulthood for boys within the Jewish society was 13 and for girls her first period marked the beginning of her adult life. Living as adults within there culture, they did all the things the other adults did.
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  Satanus

  Larc

  Many girls nowadays start having sex at 12 or 13. It's generally not against their wills. Maybe it's because they want to try new things or act grown up, i'm not sure. Many wait till they are older because of the beliefs of their parents. If their parents didn't attempt to cool the sex thing, they would likely start sooner.

  Another factor, which i read about in psychiatry articles, is how well girls get along w their fathers. Those that have good relationships w their fathers become sexually active later. Those who don't get along w their fathers start younger.

  You mention how older men force themselves on younger girls. I often wonder if it wasn't much the same, or worse back in ancient israeli times. For instance, when king david was old and couldn't get it up (i think it says he couldn't get warm) anymore, a young girl was found to go to bed w him. Do you think she was willing? Could be, i guess. Maybe it as an honor. Anyway, how soon after female puberty's onset does sex desire start? Again, i don't know. I'm hoping for some female input here.

  SS
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  Big Tex

  I don't think this behavior is just limited to ancient Israel. I remember reading (and I wish I could find it now) that the age of consent in the mid-19th century in Britain was 12. In the same article, it was pointed out that men who had contracted syphllis would seek out a "fresh" girl (virginal and probably 12) in the mistaken belief that sex with a virgin would cleanse the disease out. So I think this attitude has been prevalent in all societies.
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  larc

  SS,

  I agree with you that some boys and girls become sexually active when they reach puberty. What I am saying is, that in times past, this could be done in an honorable way. Back then, after people reached puberty, they were not considered boys and girls any more. They were considered to be young adults, and they had the necessary skills to marry and have a family.

  Today, our industrialized society is very much out of sink with the natural sexual developement of our children. Yes, some have sex at 14, but they can not get married at that age. In the past, marriage at that age was not only possible, but was likely to work.

  Edited to add,

  I rarely read the Bible any more, but I think that King David had two young virgins, one on each side of him in bed to keep him warm. I wonder if I get the flu, if the doctor will give me this perscription. Sounds good to me, probably not covered by Blue Cross.

  Edited by - larc on 28 September 2002 2:15:42
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  Satanus

  King Larc

  one on each side of him in bed to keep him warm

  There are girls that would gladly do that, but they ain't virgin

  In ancient isreal, the young girls really had no choice. It was the whole system. They were bought, sold, given on the whims of the father. Perhaps the majority of them didn't mind the system. But, for those who didn't care for it, for whatever reason, there was no one and nothing that they could turn to, not even their god. If a girl was obstinate, not obeying her parents, as a last resort, the could kill her. They were treated like taliban treated women. Today, girls have a lot more choices.

  SS
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  larc

  SS,

  I can not disagree with anything you wrote.
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  seedy3

  I have actually done some research on this and found out by reading some of the gnostic writings that Mary the supposed mother of Jesus, was only 12 years old when she became impregnated, by this almighty god Jehovah. so that would make YHWH a pedophle as well.

  Seedy