Amazon.com a Pedophile's Paradise ???

by Xandria 58 Replies latest jw friends

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  rem

  "The current approach to free speech in the United States is the French egalitarian model, that there are no standards by which we measure speech," Lively explained. "My belief is that the Founding Fathers assumed a Judeo-Christian premise in all of the founding documents, and therefore anything that is fundamentally contradictory to the nature of human beings created in the image of God" is not permitted.

  That is a very troubling interpretation indeed.

  rem

  Edited by - rem on 30 September 2002 10:34:14
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  rem

  Well Rem you've proven you have no concept of what freedom of speach is, this is not a state owned entitity, it's privately owned. Would you open your home to NAMBLA meetings? Can the government force you to do so? This is the same thing, the government CAN NOT force you to sell something you don't want to, nobody here has said ban the book, they are simply talking with they're pocket book, the person has the right to publish they're book, however they DON'T have the right to force someone to sell it!

  I understand exactly what freedom of speech means and the difference between the government and a corporation. I just value freedom of speech more than you do. That's all. I'm proud to live in a country where repugnant material can be purchased along with valuable material. It puts the choice in MY hands, not the government's, not in corporations, and not in the hands of hysterical special interests.

  I doubt Amazon is making a lot of money off of this book, but then again, people like you who really hate the fact that amazon is offering this book are sure attracting a lot of attention to it! LOL

  I also think it's pretty funny that many of the loudest protesters against Amazon are protesting against a book that they've never even read. That is pretty sad. That shows that the decision is not an informed one.

  rem

  Edited by - rem on 30 September 2002 10:42:53
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  funkyderek

  I was appalled to find that Amazon also stocks Mein Kampf, a book by Adolf Hitler - the most evil man who ever lived. It also stocks The Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx, another very evil man with an evil philosophy, Confessions of an English Opium-Eater by Thomas de Quincy, a book that glorifies the use of hard drugs, and most shocking of all, The 120 days of Sodom by none other than the Marquis de Sade, a shockingly amoral tale of unbelievable debauchery by another very bad man.

  Boycotting them clearly won't be enough. Maybe we should storm their headquarters with flaming torches.
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  rem

  lol@funkyderek

  I'll ready the pitchforks and gather the posse. ;)

  rem
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  UnDisfellowshipped

  Boycotting them clearly won't be enough. Maybe we should storm their headquarters with flaming torches.

  LOL YEAH! Right after they get through with Bethel LOL
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  Xandria

  Rem,

  You do assume much, in the scheme of things. I am closely associated, with people in the Mental Health field. When a source like this, validates a person's behavioral patterns. As this book does with discussing intergenerational love. Not platonic love, but highly sexual love, of the non consensual type and I question the justification of it. This book justifies these feelings of lust and for it to be placed upon the shoulders of a child is wrong. A child is not fully mentally prepared, to handle these decisions of sexuality... Nor should they be forced too.

  Do you think a child should be placed into that position?

  Pedophiles have behavior that will not readily change if at all.

  Taking responsibility for their actions is not a strong point of many, with this chronic problem. They much rather justify their behavior. Than take responsibility, that they are doing something illegal and damaging.

  Not only have I read excerpts of this book's chapters, but find them very disturbing in its open exploration of youth love in and its placing of these feelings as "normal sexual behavior". Many Pedophiles lose the balance between sexual fantasy and actual practice of sexual behavior. They have no impulse control what-so-ever and books like these triggers, not only in rationalization of their behaviors, but a sense of justification!

  I am so happy; you can see this in a black and white issue. For in this subject there are many Shades of Gray. It is not a question of freedom of speech; it is a question of being able to be responsible with it. By Amazon offering this book they have opened the door to Pedophiles and are in collusion to an illegal act. Collusion by association and solicitation of goods. In this book it speaks of child sexuality with a grown adult. If that is not child porn then what is??? If you want to talk about boy lovers or have a book for them. It should be one that helps them, not empowers them or enable their behavior by justification.

  I am all for freedom of speech. AS LONG AS IT DOESNT HARM OTHERS PHYSICALLY!

  This can lead to physical harm to a child if it makes a pedophile think this is some sort of validation for his actions.

  Xandria

  Of the not amused by this class.

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  rem

  Xandria,

  Pedophiles obviously are already justifying their actions. This book is just one person expressing how he justifies it in his mind. Certainly many pedophiles will agree with this view because they already see it that way. So what. Do you think this book is going to convert anyone to be a pedophile? Do you have data to suggest that more children will be harmed because this book is made available? We can only assume either way.

  I do not think a child should be placed into any abusive situation... but I also don't believe that the earth was created in seven literal days... and yet I don't mind books being published that support erronious viewpoints. Well, I certainly don't like the fact that they exist, but I'm certainly not about banning books or ideas.

  The trick is to rebutt rebutt rebutt... not squelch. If you have data that destroys the author's argument, then publish it... or encourage someone who is qualified to do so. Or sit and wait for an expert to do it. Or simply ignore it.

  So far, this book has not been shown to contain illegal material. You disagree with the ideas expressed. Good! So do I. Making books unavailable is not the answer. That's the totalitarian way. It is black and white - either you agree with free speech or you don't. It can't only apply to YOUR ideas... the concept of freedom of expression has to apply equally to ideas that we may find repulsive or even harmful. Otherwise it's not freedom of speech at all.

  rem
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  Trauma_Hound

  I just value freedom of speech more than you do.

  Umm ok, if you really think so, again you have no concept of what freedom of speach is. Well you can go hang out with your pedophile buddies, that's your right. See I assumed too much, did you like that? However just because I disagree with a book, does not mean I called for the book to be banned, which part of that don't you understand, how many marchs have you been in? Are you a member of the EFF like I am, and have been fighting the government for the last few years, because they banned code? Get a grip, this is a coperation, I have the right to boycott them, if you want to talk about free speach issues, why don't you go write your congressman a nice letter about why a piece of programming code is banned?
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  rem

  Trauma,

  I apologize for assuming too much. Maybe it was this comment that led me to my conclusion:

  I just sent them a nasty e-mail! As a business they still can choose what they sell, freedom of speach [sic] ends at private corps. That's what the public library is for.

  I took this as meaning that you didn't just choose to stop shopping there, but you chose to try and bully them with your email and boycott to get them to stop selling the book. I thought that was your goal, as I can only go by what you post. I respect your opinion and your right not to shop whereever you (don't) please, but if you truly are trying to get Amazon to stop selling the book, then please don't pretend to be some type of protector of free speech.

  I enjoy this quote:

  "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all." -- Noam Chomsky

  But I do think your activism in promoting freedom of speech for ideals that you hold dear encouraging.

  "The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all." --H. L. Mencken

  rem
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  DakotaRed

  What I am finding most disturbing is labeling it as "love." Boylove or whatever, pedophiles are not practicing any sort of love. In renaming it, they are attempting to minimize the impact of their evil deeds against children. A boylover is nothing more than a common pedophile and deserves imprisonment.

  Lew W