Dreams and Recovery Issues

by LyinEyes 20 Replies latest watchtower medical

  • LyinEyes
    LyinEyes

    The subject of dreams has been talked about frequently as part of the recovery process when something traumatic or life altering happens.

    I just thought it might be of interest to share the path of my dreams over the last year, to those who may be going thru leaving the organization.

    All my life I had the armeggedon dreams, but I was always safe. When I left the borg, I still had the armeggedon dreams but this time I didnt make it. And I was responsible for my family too. I would wake up in a cold sweat and crying. This lasted about 2 months.

    Then the armeggedon dreams slowly, disappeared , to be replaced by the fear of being disfellowshipped or being rejected by my father, and by the Witnesses. This so far was the longest cycle of dreams with the same theme, rejection, fear of leaving , and sadness. This lasted a few months.

    The dreams started to change to me forgetting that I did in fact D/A myself and wondered why the Witnesses wouldnt talk to me.

    My last dream that was borg related was a few nights ago. I dreamed that my family decided to go back,,,,,,,,,, to make the bookstudy, but we didnt know what book they were studing. I was in a frenzy to find the book, I remember the old yellow thousand year book on a shelf. I couldnt find my oldest son, and my kids were not dressed right.

    Then I stopped and looked at my husband and said, you know what, if they are just going to shun us , why go? I just don't feel like dealing with them anymore. So we didnt go back. A few minutes later in the dream , I was introducing myself to my neighbors and I was proudly telling them I used to be a JW, but choose to leave them and no longer believed what they taught. End of dream.

    I havent had any armeggedon dreams in a long, long, time. And I don't dream of my father's rejection anymore.

    I wonder if my dreams are my subconscious mind, accepting my disassociation and that I am now at peace with it.

    When I first disassociated myself, the first weeks were hard, in a silent kind of way. The feelings were numb and empty. I felt shock. I truly think I overestimated the degree of loss I would feel when I made the choice to D/A. I do feel more at peace about my choice, and do not regret it, but I think when I first did it , I am not sure I gave it the proper thought as to the way I wanted it all to go down. When the elder called, and confronted us about smoking, we knew we would just d/a ourselves than to be disfellowshipped and there would be no judical meeting.

    But what was sad was that the elder didnt ask us once to think about it, it was late at night , he didnt say, I will call you in the morning. Think about it tonight. In a matter of minutes it was over and that is the way they wanted it. This was the sad part of my d/a . and I think that my dreams are now helping me to see that I made the right choice and that I am at peace with it. In my last dream , it was I who was walking away, I was the one rejecting, I was rejecting being one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

  • think41self
    think41self

    Hey LyinEyes

    Interesting post. I agree with you, we work through some of our feelings and strong emotions in our dreams, through our subconscious. And it can be different for every single one of us. I haven't had a "borg" dream in ages, my husband still has them frequently, but the tone is changing. He is also reaching the "empowerment" phase where even in your dream, you are the one to walk away....taking emotional control of your life again.

    My sister also had Armageddon dreams for years, I very rarely did. I think that's an interesting case study right there. So many witnesses are made to feel that they are not good enough...you know, with the whole "what should you be doing in the last days of this dying system" mentality...I think that's where the Armageddon dreams came into the picture for her. Poor kid....I had them just once or twice, I can't imagine being afraid to go to sleep at night for fear of your dreams.

    Anyway, thanks for sharing your dreams with us...I found it interesting!

    Tracy

    Edited by - think41self on 29 September 2002 11:29:34

  • LyinEyes
    LyinEyes

    I think you are right , most of us, work out alot of riff raff thru our dreams. Sometimes the solutions have come to me in my dreams, and I would wake up actually feeling different about the whole situation.

    I think it helps to know that these dreams will work themselves out and not be afraid of them. I used to be scared to go to sleep for fear of them. Now I tell myself to face what ever I dream about and try to be in control, because I used to wake myself up before the dream was completed out of fear.

    It is interesting that to a degree we can control our dreams, if we put itin our minds to do so.

  • DannyBear
    DannyBear

    Eye's,

    I hate to insert the 'lyin' part, so if you don't mind the shortened version. Btw you have gorgeous eye's.

    It seems that from the very start 'garden of eden' story, right on through the book of revelation, the god of the bible has insisted on creating an atmosphere of 'terror'.

    If there is any consistant theme running throughout the bible, it is this: 'Fear me or you will die.. says god.' Then he and his chosen people, Isreal in bible times, Jw's in modern day, add to the fear and anxiety by creating long lists of do's and don'ts to keep the chosen ones busy fearing thier own shadows.

    Is it really any different today with jw's, questioning every move they make, sifting through volumes of written materials for answers to everyday life issues? Very similar if not identical to those Isrealites with all there 'clean and unclean' rules and regs.

    At least the lsrealites of old, had a visible temple with signs and portents, that god was in fact home in the innermost sanctuary. All the modern day chosen ones have, is a big neon sign that says "WATCHTOWER" hanging on some non-discript building, near the Brooklyn bridge in New York, NY.

    Nothing ever changes with religion. Fear and loathing are tools of the trade, no religion of any substance has ever made it without them.

    Danny

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    I've been dreaming a lot lately, but not about the borg!

  • SPAZnik
    SPAZnik

    Awesome post Lyin!

    I wonder if my dreams are my subconscious mind, accepting my disassociation and that I am now at peace with it.

    I am a firm believer that dreams and the subconscious mind are closely linked.
    At least for me they are. I dream frequently and vividly. Always action-packed.

    (lately there is a recurring theme of violence and destruction,
    coupled with a spirit of rescue team-work and comraderie so noone gets hurt, phew)

    This is significant to me in my recovery process because most of my life I dreamt that I was alone in rescue efforts I was alone in dealing with monumental emergencies with innocent lives at stake. Now my dreams place me, still in "life and death" scenarios, and in a position of responsibility for lives, but not entirely alone in handling the task.

    This is monumental improvement for me, I've been fairly untrusting and independant to a fault. But this is changing for the good, over time, both irl and in my dreams.

    I don't put too much stock into one dream all on it's own,
    but over a period of months & years, occasional analysis of the theme of my dreams has,
    much like your post, shown a very obvious "pattern" and link to certain deep emotions and changing life events.

    I feel for anyone that has had to deal with Armageddon nightmares. I don't think I've ever had to deal wif dat.

    Great post, btw. Thank you for sharing. I love this topic, both from the dream angle and the being in touch with your subconscious angle. Dreams can be a very healthy safe release for pent up emotion and frustration. Even better when a person recognizes that and takes a few minutes to write the dream down or think on it a bit rather than just ignoring it's value.

    SPAZ

  • SPAZnik
    SPAZnik

    lol @ onacruse

  • MegaDude
    MegaDude

    I had hundreds of religious centered dreams as a young JW and they all centered on two main themes: Jehovah trying to slaughter me at Armageddon while I ran for my life; or letting the demons attack me while he did nothing to interfere.

    I never once had a positive dream about anything involving God, the Bible, or the JWs.

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex

    I believe in dreams. Not as an end-all solution or as some psychic event, but rather as the subconscious reaching out and up to us.

    It's interesting the progression of dreams that you've written about. Recurring dreams indicate an issue that is unresolved or needs attention. I think that was the case with the recurring dreams of your father and the Witnesses. Fear of rejection is powerful. But I think you showed tremendous strength of character in your final dream. It shows you standing on your own and facing your fear. In effect it is the newfound "parent" within you that gives you approval for your stand since in the dream you are proudly telling neighbors that you used to be a Witness. In a way, your dreams seem to have come full circle. You faced your Armageddon, didn't you? And you not only survived it, but you came out a more complete person with more pride in yourself. Since you don't dream of your father's rejection anymore, perhaps you also don't fear God's rejection any longer either. It's one of the most healing and nuturing dreams I've heard. Thanks for sharing it with us.

    Chris

  • Sharpshooter
    Sharpshooter

    Demons in my dreams....my experience with dreams goes back to the earliest memories as a young child. It seems like yesterday, but I remember getting attacked by demons. This was when I realized these evil creatures can interact with your dreams and really mess you up if your mind isn't strong.

    At that time my parents were UC and I didn't care much for Sunday School because the teacher called me a trouble maker for questioning the Cross. In every dream I lost the battle. At that time I made a promise to myself that I would find a way to beat them. I searched and searched through many religions until the JW were analyzed. After my baptism and C of the H the dreams intensified to ultra intense levels and then I began to beat them in Matrix like battles.

    I was at my cousins house and she had a book about dreams and she asked what I dreamt about. I told her and she looked it up and she just laughed, it said 'You must seek immediate psychological help'. I said I didn't need a book to tell me that. It seems that few people have the ability to interact with demons in their dreams. I watched a show on the Discovery Channel about a serial rapist and he was asked why he did it, his response was that a female keeps raping him in his dreams. The police officers tell him that there is female demon called saccubus and he just said where is my justice?

    I don't believe in dreams to much because they always can change at a later time. My Armageddon dreams are very realistic and it always seems I am on some sort of resue mission and the demons are trying to prevent me from helping. There was a movie called Dreamscape and it focused on dream manipulation, when I watched it I smiled and said I can do that. The demons are very good at reverse Psychology, for instance my cousin Mark was interested in studying with the JW's and I told him you watch if you start studying tonight the demons will come for you tonight. Sure enough they attacked him that night and said never mind this. Budda is much nicer to study.

    I haven't had a decent nights sleep in over three years now ever since my conversion. But I wouldn't change a thing because now I am in control of my dreams and I haven't lost any battles. My thoughts on dreams is that it is a window into the spiritual realm and the angels were restricted from interacting with humans and the angels that sinned abuse this window. Sometimes it is hard to tell when the dream ends and reality takes over, but I know one thing is for sure that this nightmare will end soon....

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