by gumby 15 Replies latest jw friends
Valis...No do any of the Malawi "victims" have a pulse...just a quick reminder..
There are pletny of victims who were survivors. Not all who were persecuted were killed.
Have you ever heard of stories told by Jews who were victims of the Holocost artrocities?....I have
gumby...most of them are dead now I'm sure...but yeah I made a blanket statement...I was trying to make a small point about the ugliness of the whole affair. As well, I'm not sure what your comment about Jewish Holocaust survivors was meant to say, but yes I have...I also have 1st hand accounts from my grandfather ( a conscientious objector who served as a medic and ambulance driver) about the horrific scenes at Auschwitz and Buchenwald, both of which he helped to liberate and aid with the survivors there. I also have read Elie Wiesel's account in his book entitled "Night", which I recommend highly for anyone interested.
Sincerely,
District Overbeer
Thanks for sharing Valis,
My point about the holocost was simply that many were victims of that......yet many were able to live and tell about it.......just like survivors of malawi.
Gerard said, I was raised in Mexico
So were you involved in the Bribery thing when you left? Were you a wittness when you could not sing songs or pray? Tell us about it
I am not a JW, never been. But I grew up in Mexico city and I can asure you the Mexican JW were not victimized to the degree of persecution and murder as the Malawis had to endure.
Was I part of the bribery? Yes. Honestly, the whole country functions on bribery. At every socio-cultural level. That is why I left for Canada with a one-way ticket and $100 in my pocket. When bribery is a way of dealing through daily routines, you end up perceiving it as "normal", so I am not alarmed that the Mexican JW bribed the military to obtain their cartilla without actualy performing the mandatory military service, what upsets me is that the WTBTS did not alow Malawis to live while were so relaxed with the Mexicans. And do you know why? Under Mexican law, religious organizations could not own property, land or bussineses, so the JW were registered as a "Cultural organization" and in order to retain their wealth in Mexico the WT had to keep quiet and alow JWs to become 1st military reserves after bribery to the military.
Mexican law has changed since, and the WTBTS can now legaly own what they already did in the 60s and 70s. According to R. Franz, THAT WA$ THE REA$ON FOR THE DOUBLE $TANDARD.
Gerry
Hey gerry, I see you are familiar with the whole scenerio. You mentioned the persecution of mexican/malawi. I knew there was no "persecution" on the mexican level....only a guilt conscience of the brothers there.
You said, so I am not alarmed that the Mexican JW bribed the military to obtain their cartilla without actualy performing the mandatory military service,
As you know....the WT did not hold up to their OWN standards on bribery in the mexico case. It was still unlawfull bribery. Many types of government have theit loopholes but still the admonition from the WT is according to ceaser....should they obey. Crooked officials do not represent ceaser.
Thanks to COC did we learn of the things you mentioned as perhaps this info would not have been known whether you lived in Mexico or not.
Thanks so much for sharing your story. I wished their had been some victims who actually DEALT with these policies. Perhaps in time more evidence such as this will be told by many in the open.
Thanks again for your support...Gumby
