Valis, I understand what you're saying. I can understand if Ray doesn't have the time or energy to put into Silentlambs. I've simply failed to read where he *verbally* supports the efforts of those involved with Silentlambs. I agree with you, Bill souldn't have said those things about Ray. I wish it never happened. Maybe the pressure is getting to him. The whole purpose of the Silentlambs is just so clear to me, kinda like the difference between right and wrong. I don't understand why everyone doesn't see that. But I guess if that was the case, we wouldn't be having this discussion, or any j.w. discussions for that matter.