by Englishman 20 Replies latest jw friends
I'd just be concerned about the possible consequences of adding a deliberate religious attack to the grief of a father's passing.
Me too. Adding the religious angle could make her seem like a disgruntled XJW wanting to blame everyone for her father's passing, instead of accepting it as a terrible, terrible accident.
Sending condolensces.
Sherryl
Ignored one.
The whole family had re-activated the shunning of Cindy. This also greatly upset my son and daughter from that marriage. Check this out:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=16427&site=3
Englishman.
Englishman,
I think she should bring up the Jehovah's Witness connection ONLY if she thinks it's relevant in the death or his being left for so long. If she does it as a smear tactic, it will be recognized for what it is. If she truly thinks that the "brothers" didn't fulfill a commitment, she should mention it.
My sympathy also. But yes I would go ahead & mention he was a JW. & that she had called a couple of days into the time period. I think it will be for the OTHER residences sake & also to give the JWs a wake up call to show more interrest in their aged ( I speak from age)
Good Luck
That's difficult, and upsetting. But he sounds like he'd have been a character! If you're not too popular or things are going badly, there aren't always too many who'll look out for you.
I recall saying to my wife on the way to the Doc, "We go to the elders for judgement, and then to the wordly doctor for help to get well afterwards' (I got Depressed about a Judical Committee). We thereafter refered to elders as "The Judges'.
Kind regards, Max
Dearest EMan... may you have peace...
and may you know that "fickle" earthling man will more likely blame Cindy and her siblings/relatives before they blame the WTBTS. Which is MOST likely what her brother fears.
Now, someone might want the "juicy" story about the home he lived in, but I believe the WTBTS will be the last to get some blame in this. Why? Because THEY will throw out that it is not their responsibility, per se, but that of the children/family.
Tell her to think about it. If she believes there was some negligence on the part of the home, she should seek legal counsel. Otherwise, life... is life.
Again, I bid you peace!
A slave of Christ,
SJ
E-man
My 2 cents.
Whereas one might hope that his local congregation would be attentive, and call on him often enough to have discovered this before 4 days were up, they are really in a different position to the local authority who had placed the old man in warden-controlled care.
It really is their failure, not the congregation's.
I'd go after them, big-time, and go easy on the religious angle. Detestable as they sometimes can be with all their shunning, self-righteousness and cruelty, it doesn't do to shoe-horn every situation into a anti-JW "witness" to the world.
Sorry to hear about the old guy, anyway.
Duncan.
Eman,
What a terrible thing to have happen to your ex. She should absolutely pursue this with the newspapers....anyone that will listen. Screw the JW's and "how they might be perceived". The truth is the truth.
This is why I'm concerned about my mom, who lives by herself, away from all her children, by choice. She says Jah and the congregation will take care of her. I've already seen how they "take care of her". They didn't even come and visit her when she moved in. No one offered to hang a curtain or help her put her items away. These are people she had known for some twenty years, until two years ago, when she moved closer to my brother, after dad died. I believe she thought it would be different to "go back to that area", but she lives in delusion.
I can picture something happening to her, and her decaying away, while her "friends" continue to go from door to door preaching love. We don't expect JW's to be perfect, but they project that they more or less "are", so they need to be more observant and caring to those in their congregations, especially the elderly.
Sentinel
Hi Eman'
((((((((((((Cindy)))))))))) So sorry for your loss. I am sure that I would be angry if my jw family members allowed this to happen to my father. In my opinion, it would do no good to expose this. It is a failure on the part of your siblings. They must feel badly already. I wish you comfort. I see no comfort in making an issue out of this. I just feel sad that he died without having a good relationship with you. If this were me, I would have to let it go unsaid. The WT is not responsible, biblically for your dad's care, his family is. If he had no children then the responsiblity would fall on them. ((((((((((((sorry)))))))))))) Love, Dj
G'day Englishman,
It's all very sad. (i'm lost for words:(
.. oh here come some ... I had an old JW friend die in very similar circumstances and the fact that neighbours found him and the police called the Salvation Army to arrange a poorpers funeral didn't bode well for the local congregation. Tom Flynn was a charming Irish bachelor of a type they stopped making long ago. 18 years gone and I still miss him (the only man i ever visited a pub with after witnessing)
best wishes, unclebruce
ps: at the risk of sounding like a complete twat, and getting my arse kicked by all within earshot, four days doesn't seem very long to me. (i'd be well and truly parched bones before anyone wondered about me .. yeah, i know, the man was supposed to be in care ... ... ooo English, just remmembered, brothers thick and thicker payed me a visit in the bush two days ago ... and i thought i was safe .. geez telecom can't find me and the council never heard of my place but nothing can stop "the truth wagon"
pss: what happened to your boy? Didn't want him running into my sort eh? lol. (hope he had a good time)
