Only way to take down the tower..... (page 3)

Pork Chop

Like I already said, I don't think this will work. But even ignoring that, I believe that bringing such a disparate group of people with a common focus would be an impossible task.

IslandWoman

SS,

You attacked bb for exerting some influence to bringing about a unity under himself. Now you are floating your own vision of unity.

"Unity under himself" is not democracy and open discussion among equals who will decide a course, which is what I am speaking of.

IW

Hi IW: Several of us formed a 'working group' sometime ago. Sometime later, when Bill Bowen emerged, the media took notice because he was recently resigned PO and JW Elder. Many of us have worked for the victims either separately or with SilentLambs. And now that attorneys and courts and judges are involved, the process has evolved a step further ... taken on a life of its own ... and if you notice Kim Norris is making her own posts here and elsewhere to identify victims and create awareness.

SilentLambs can continue as is with measured media attention, providing useful legal and medical resourses, and other timely information. Others of us can independantly provide support in other ways. This way, SilentLambs is not overburdened, and at the same time no single entity has a monopoly so that new ideas, new leaders, new approaches can more easily emerge.

I like your concept IW, and to a large extent, by pooling our resources, and working in an allied fashion, we all could do a lot of good, as long as our mutual endeavor has a limited focus for its mission, and an exit strategy, that is identify the day when we dismantle when a certail goal or objective is achieved. To do that would require a concensus and compromise among many former JWs.

We need balance, maturity, cool-heads, good editing, working and brainstorming sessions, and understanding that everything said or done can be successful only IF we undxerstand that every careless act can and will be twisted against us.

We cannot afford even one act of "bovine excrement" of the variety exhibited recently ... we cannot have power trips, ego-mania, unfounded allegations, or anything that would place our credibility or mission in question and jeopardy ... otherwise, it could all turn to a large waste dump overnight with one careless act.

I am in favor of doing something, but, I also feel that there is already a certain division recently created that will preclude some from the needed compromise and willingness to work together. Your idea is great, and only requires we all set aside our differences so that we can bring together constructive ways to make contributions and work out the details ...

Sooooo, let's see where it goes in this thread and decide if the raw materials of a new working group or association is available in enough quantity to get something started, or if so, whether it is really feasible, or what we truly want. Email me when you get the chance. - Jim Whitney

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Satanus

democracy and open discussion among equals who will decide a course

It could be that that is what we have on this, and possibly the other board. A few decisions and actions that were carried through have wended their way through these routes.

Personally, i don't think that the wt can be brought down. Even if that could be brought about, cult type groups would pop up. As long as their are people w a mental/emotional condition which makes them run for the shelter of a cult or authority figure, there will be groups like the wt. The solution to this reaction is large scale social programs that uplift all the people, enabling them to throw away their mental crutches, relying fully on themselves. At least that how it seems to me.

Then again, if it was brought low, it would go a long ways in showing people that they shouldn't trust religion.

SS

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IslandWoman

SS,

Personally, i don't think that the wt can be brought down

The goal would not be to take her down but to cause change by her fear of being taken down. I think as a body of people working together we have this potential.

IW

unclebruce

The tower ain't going anywhere folks. Like the tower of the tarot pack it'll continue to time indefinite collapsing and rebuilding itself. Reformist thinking still sickens me to the core. Making it easier for the slaves inside just locks them in deeper in my taoist opinion. I don't have much to say but have enjoyed all the comments here. The work of all of you via this internet is playing a big role in slowing and perhaps even reversing the intake of lost andd broken souls into the nightmarish hell of cult indoctrination. Long may you all rule!

unclebruce

IslandWoman

Unclebruce,

Reformist thinking still sickens me to the core.

Religion is here to stay. If the Catholic religion, the Mormon religion, the JW religion and others could be made to be more loving and less totalitarian, that is a good thing.

IW

Perry

Beck said:

I think the idea is a good one, but I don't see a "one stop shop" group emerging. Rather, I anticipate sub-groups or small but manageable groups.

I think this is a very good point. In post modern society, several small groups would be far more effective that one large one. The Japanese taught American corporations that trick back in the 80's.

Some groups might even have differing objectives. One may seek reform, another fiduciary reparations, still others disbandment. The solitary goal is still a listening ear, irregardless of where the chips may fall. The listening ear might be from Ceasar or it just might damn well be from a new administration. They can't all live as long as Strom Thurmond.

Amazing said:

"We cannot afford even one act of "bovine excrement" of the variety exhibited recently ... we cannot have power trips, ego-mania, unfounded allegations, or anything that would place our credibility or mission in question and jeopardy ... otherwise, it could all turn to a large waste dump overnight with one careless act."

I agree with you Amazing. I 'd like to ask you a question though. Let's say that your groups' objective would be better served by diminishing certain allegations that complicated the achievement of its goal. Futhermore, you know for a fact that the greater good will be achieved by not revealing certain truths. What would you do?

Confirm certain truths and harm the objective goal? Or, assign the truths to oblivion so that the greater good could be served to the most number of people in the shortest amount of time?

This not a trick question but a sincere request for your honest thoughts.

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UnDisfellowshipped

I personally do want the Watchtower to collapse because the ENTIRE RELIGION is based almost completely upon their own FALSE TEACHINGS instead of the Bible!

Dino

Excellent question Perry.

In view of the recent quagmire on the board, a timely one as well.

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